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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#126876: May 22nd 2015 at 11:09:25 PM

I've been wondering for a while, but what does Hanahazama mean? I don't want to presume and then be wrong.

Or is it a place?

edited 22nd May '15 11:09:38 PM by asterism

Heart of Stone
tryourbreast Death by Yuyuko Moeness Since: May, 2012
Death by Yuyuko Moeness
#126877: May 22nd 2015 at 11:28:33 PM

Yes, it's some historical war-related place.

But to actually explain it would require a bit of Japanese history, so I'll leave it to somebody more knowledgeable.

A pit of mothingness
joergenjetsam from The city of constant rain Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#126878: May 22nd 2015 at 11:28:59 PM

They discussed it a bit on the wiki, here.

edited 22nd May '15 11:29:37 PM by joergenjetsam

Conception is sin Birth is pain Life is toil Death is inevitable
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#126879: May 22nd 2015 at 11:42:59 PM

To summarize: The Battle of Okehazama is some super-famous historical event that everyone knows from history class, and 'Oke' was replaced by 'Hana', which means "Flower" and is the first kanji in Kasen's name. (華)

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#126881: May 23rd 2015 at 12:35:35 AM

This actually looks quite easy to play. I may learn it.

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#126882: May 23rd 2015 at 6:29:34 AM

The world of dharma is filled with light...

Heart of Stone
AlaAlba Since: Jun, 2011
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Zansnae793 Since: Apr, 2014
Lightblade The Shrouded Knight from Philadelphia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
The Shrouded Knight
#126888: May 23rd 2015 at 6:12:28 PM

I have just managed to beat DDC. I was playing on Easy Mode with Reimu B. I used a continue, so I got the "bad ending" Not understanding Japanese, I didn't understand what actually happened, though, and it's not on the wiki like the game dialogue.

But still, I consider it an accomplishment.

The Living Guildpact rules that coffee is an acceptable substitution for rest as specified in subsection … whatever.
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#126889: May 23rd 2015 at 6:16:13 PM

Apparently the patcher now works with the Playism version of DDC. Or something.

Even if it doesn't, the endings should be on the patcher website.

Hylarn Since: Jan, 2001
#126890: May 23rd 2015 at 6:17:17 PM

The Hakurei Shrine

Reimu's spirit had been crushed.

Reimu: "Yikes!
Without my purification rod, this is awful..."

Reimu was crushed under the mighty Miracle Mallet.

She must practice so as not to rely on her rod!

Ending No. 08 — Practice is key!

Aim for a no-continue clear!

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#126891: May 23rd 2015 at 6:28:00 PM

Pffft

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
FellDeedsAwake BOW TO THE CHICKEN GODDESS from Augsburg, Germany Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
BOW TO THE CHICKEN GODDESS
#126893: May 24th 2015 at 4:04:00 AM

[up] Wow, that was a lot of art, and for me, a record in how many I really liked grin I saved the Kanako, Momiji, Wakasagi-Suit and Orin ones. But that Wakasagi-Suit one... that is really impressive, manages to basically tell a whole heartwarming fanfic story about her friends now being able to hang out with her underwater in one picture with no words surprised Really nice.

edited 24th May '15 4:04:59 AM by FellDeedsAwake

"Mystia is a former German nun“ -Clarste //// "[...]collectively, we have the power to destroy the Aki sandwich" -Clarste
Hylarn Since: Jan, 2001
#126894: May 24th 2015 at 4:12:23 AM

manages to basically tell a whole heartwarming fanfic story about her friends now being able to hang out with her underwater in one picture with no words

From the commentary:

Nitori: Eye protection is also being developed
Wakasagihime: ✧Wonderful✧

edited 24th May '15 4:12:59 AM by Hylarn

TrueShadow1 Since: Dec, 2012
#126895: May 24th 2015 at 4:35:35 AM

It's going to end with Nitori extorting as much payment money as possible, isn't it...?

FellDeedsAwake BOW TO THE CHICKEN GODDESS from Augsburg, Germany Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
BOW TO THE CHICKEN GODDESS
#126896: May 24th 2015 at 6:03:38 AM

[up][up] Well, OK, no words in the picture itself wink

[up] Not in any way directed at you personally smile, but that did spur me to bring up the topic of Nitori's recent fandom characterization, which has been bothering me for a while now.

It seems to be accepted fact by the fandom now that Nitori is this horrible moneygrabbing scammer or whatever, which makes me very sad. No, in case you accuse me of that, I do not want a return to the MOF days when she was just a shy, nice moeblob (although I never do mind nice chars in Touhou) ; she is more interesting with more personality. After MOF, it just went like downhill super-quick in the fans' minds: "she talks bad about people behind their backs in SA!" + "she and all other kappa kill people!" + whatever she does in HM (sorry, maybe I read it once and forgot, so I'm not sure exactly what she does in HM; but apparently, she's Kappa Hitler) And that's where we are now.

But seriously: everyone in Touhou talks about people behind their backs and does more rude things on a daily basis. As to the killing people thing, y'all know I don't like that aspect of canon, no matter what char or species does it... but you can't especially condemn Nitori for that, you'd have to condemn 90% of all chars as murderers.

What everyone seems to ignore when condemning Nitori as this heartless scammer is the very much canon FS. It was FS which made me super happy because it gave us canon proof that Nitori definitively has good sides. I commented on it here at the time, but I'll do it again here: the Adorable Seal chapter. When reading it for the first time, I was super sad and worried because I feared that we would get Nitori portrayed as this heartless Captain Planet-like villain who exploits and torments this animal for financial gain. But, contrary to fanon and thankfully, it didn't happen at all. She specifically points out that she doesn't want to force the seal to do anything it doesn't want to, doesn't want to stress it out, and as soon as the seal gets sad, she gets an animal expert on the case right away and then immediately fixes the problem so the seal is happy again <3. Please, if that doesn't convice you about Nitori's good sides, then nothing will smile Additionally, the Planetarium was also in no way a scam. It provides a service that makes people happy, and nothing indicates any sinister motive at all.

So, that went a bit longer than expected, but I wanted to get that off my chest smile

"Mystia is a former German nun“ -Clarste //// "[...]collectively, we have the power to destroy the Aki sandwich" -Clarste
Zansnae793 Since: Apr, 2014
#126897: May 24th 2015 at 6:30:16 AM

To be fair though, Nitori is more of a pragmatic businesswoman, in the sense her actions are pretty much justifiable in terms of business sense (monopoly on fishing industry) even if others may not think so.

I think what spurred a good part of the fanbase to change her characterisation completely was that it probably came to most people as a shock that in SA this nice girl from Mo F who called everyone "ally" is suddenly more callous with her choice of words to the other characters.

And it's Wa HH, not FS, FS really only talks about how Nitori owns a warehouse.

FellDeedsAwake BOW TO THE CHICKEN GODDESS from Augsburg, Germany Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
BOW TO THE CHICKEN GODDESS
#126898: May 24th 2015 at 6:42:13 AM

[up] OH GOD you're right evil grin, yeah, sorry, Seal and Planetarium were in WAAAAGHHHH!!! I do mix those two together quite often. Both kinda mix to form "the Touhou Worldbuilding Manga Series" ^^. I don't remember the warehouse thing exactly, there was the thing with the invisibility and the lanterns, right? I think she also wasn't a jerk there, so, yeah. Point still stands.

pragmatic businesswoman

Good way to put it, Zansnae smile Pragmatic businesswoman with some rude and some very decent sides to her, not a Captain Planet caricature.

edited 24th May '15 6:42:51 AM by FellDeedsAwake

"Mystia is a former German nun“ -Clarste //// "[...]collectively, we have the power to destroy the Aki sandwich" -Clarste
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#126899: May 24th 2015 at 6:43:09 AM

As I keep saying, I think the problem is that Touhou characters are, ironically enough, too human. Being secretly arrogant, talking about people behind their backs and being a pragramatic businessperson are all very normal human traits, just like how grumpy jerk Reimu gets to occasionally be struck by cuteness like the young woman she is. If you wrote a short profile for me as a character and made sure to point out some of my bad sides, a lot of people would consider me a terrible person, too.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#126900: May 24th 2015 at 7:08:54 AM

Well, in ULiL she tries to sell the Occult Balls while knowing that they always come back to her on their own. And explicitly tells Miko she was ripped off. So she definitely has this "the victim is at fault for being scammed" side to her. I don't think you can say she's just a pragmatic, business-minded person.

I don't see it as any different from, say, Marisa though. She's gonna borrow your stuff, for the rest of her life? It doesn't mean she's a horrible person, and she's done plenty of nice things too, but she's characterized as a loveable rascal so she does rascal stuff. And rascal stuff isn't always nice.

Incidentally, I'm reminded that Nitori also uses the "ze" that Marisa is famous for. I think they're meant to be somewhat similar: rough talking, snarky, yet hardworking people.

edited 24th May '15 7:11:09 AM by Clarste


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