Kingdom Hearts

It does make me wonder about the Dark Margin though. Is that weird glowing thing in the distance another fragment of Kingdom Hearts? The real one? Or is it just some weird sun?

One has to wonder why they aren't sending Axel to help Riku and Mickey find Aqua. I mean he's the only one who can open portals to the Dark Realm on their side right?

I mean, all the Heartless already in the Realm of Darkness where the fake Kingdom Hearts was didn't seem all that bothered by it.

See, in that cutscene, I'm just. Going to assume that the bit at 1:26 when everything goes bright and we see Riku is when "Kingdom Hearts is Light" happens. Because there's no other point in 0.2 that would seem to show that.

Like, when we see the Door to Darkness after that, and Mickey starts expositing at Aqua it's already open slightly, ajar, and in the first game it doesn't open at all until Ansem tells it to.

When we see Riku after that he seems to be in his body again I guess maybe. So I guess when Aqua meets Mickey it's after Mickey talked to Riku.

...I'm still not sure whether the "Kingdom Hearts is light" bit was the "real" Kingdom Hearts or not.

Also, I'm not sure whether or not the True Kingdom Hearts can't exist because it's made of hearts that other people and worlds are using, because apparently the worlds can make a door that our heroes use to get inside Xemnas's Kingdom Hearts. So. I don't. Know what that means.

edited 24th Apr '17 7:19:00 PM by unnoun

So did Kingdom Hearts not become Light until Sora said that? Was it Darkness until it resonated with Sora's heart and reflected his light or whatever??

It could just be that it doesn't radiate out it's light all at once. It essentially blasted Ansem with its full power when it usually keeps most of it contained.

I mean, when Ansem gets blasted with it, the door is open only a crack, and not open all the way.

So it could have been focused more like a laser.

I prefer thinking the rules of the universe were changed through the hearts and beliefs of children. It fits thematically.

I still don't know what that door is.

Especially with Kairi's grandma's story, yeah.

...Which door?

In KH 1 and 0.2, it's the Door to Darkness.

In KH 2, it's. Fucking. I dunno. Mickey says the worlds want Sora to be the guardian of their destiny and stop Xemnas.

edited 24th Apr '17 7:22:20 PM by unnoun

What strikes me as weird is that Aqua and Mickey somehow wind up on the other side of the door despite being in the broken Destiny Islands that Sora's in around the same time. How did they get through there while Sora didn't? Also what's the timeline like? It seems like Aqua fights Demon Tide and then immediately after Sora and Riku are running to shut the door which means he just beat Ansem's second form. Did the fight with Ansem end right before Aqua arrived?

My understanding/interpretation of The End of the World and Realm of Darkness is that.

If the Realm of Light and Realm of Darkness are like. Continental plates. Or something. And the Door to Darkness is situated right on the boundary between them. The End of the World is what happens when part of the Realm of Darkness's. Landmass. Pushes into the Realm of Light's territory, but the actual boundary stays in technically the same spot.

Which. Makes the name make sense, actually. Like, the word for "realm" and the word for "world" are also the same, in Japanese, which is why in 0.2 the Realm of Darkness is called "Dark World". And also apparently because they were too lazy to edit the animation for the graphic to better match the English translation's consistency.

It's why we had the confusion about "Realm of Sleep" and "Sleeping Worlds".

But anyway. It's the End of the World not just in the sense of being what happens to worlds when they end, but in terms of being the end, the farthest extent, the very tip of the Realm of Darkness.

...So, to explain how that works with Destiny Islands. I mean. Maybe when Aqua and Mickey fight Demon Tide and while Sora and co. fight Ansem the position of Destiny Islands with regards to the border is changing?

I mean, when you fly to the End of the World in the gummi mission, it looks more like a black hole than anything. Like just this purple wound in space that darkness is pouring out of.

I feel sorta like, if the End of the World kept up, and all the Heartless got out through the Door.

There's two possibilities. Either you'd end up with two Realms of Darknesses with the Door in the middle. Or the Heartless would eat all the worlds and they would all end up on the other side of the Door, so you'd only have the Realm of Darkness and the Door to Darkness with nothing on the other side.

edited 25th Apr '17 4:19:14 AM by unnoun

I think Kingdom Hearts is both Darkness and Light.

If it is the Heart of everything, then it has to be, right?

The admittedly weird thing about that cutscene is, that those clips of Riku are straight up taken from The World of Darkness scene in KHFM.

But in that scene it sounds like Mickey is finding out Riku's in the Realm of Darkness, and decides that Riku's the one to help close the door, whereas when Mickey's talking to Aqua in 0.2 it seems like Mickey already knows. So I feel like it could be that they're just reusing clips because lazy.

The editing makes it look like Riku's stumbling, and looks more. Solid? Almost like it's the moment where he gets his body back from Ansem?

The interesting thing for me is that Ansem kicks Riku's heart out of his body, but Riku doesn't become a Heartless. Mickey says it's because Riku's heart won the battle against darkness, and. Okay. Sure. If a Heartless is when a heart leaves a body and is consumed by Darkness, then Riku just said "fuck that" to the being consumed part.

But I wonder. What would have happened to Riku's body if he became a Heartless? It was already occupied by Ansem still, so I don't think it could have become a Nobody.

If Riku became a Heartless, the only difference would be that after "Ansem" got rekt his body would become a Nobody.

Also, they wouldn't be able to close the door in time.

So ive been lurking on this thread for a while now and I would like to take a shot at explaining the doors for the sake of clarification. But i will be going over some stuff that has been said on this thread to explain it so skip over the basic stuff if you want to! (btw this is mostly my headcanon mixed with Fan Wank)

To start off with we know that there are three different realms: Realm of Light, Realm of darkness and realm of nothingness. I imagine them like flat planes sandwiched on top of one another with the specific order being Light, Nothing, Darkness. Normally they are kept separate for obvious reasons (darkness evil beings want to invade the realm of light) with the only actual conduit being The Door to darkness. Normally it is physically at the edge of the realm of light but this is where the End of the World comes in!

To recap the End of the World was made up of the partially eaten parts of the destroyed worlds. I headcannon that they formed around the door to be absorbed by the dark realm if the door was opened.

The door at the alter of naught was the worlds granting Sora and friends access to the artificial kingdom hearts to battle Xemnas.

Erm well thats the first time ive tried to explain it so I hoped it helped.

edited 25th Apr '17 5:53:42 PM by Paranoidandroid234

I mean, the thing is from what I can tell, either way the Destiny Islands were on both sides of the door. Like. Immediately.

You have Destiny Islands > what Ansem calls "the Endless Abyss" > the Door to Darkness < the fake Kingdom Hearts < the Destiny Islands.

It's like the Destiny Islands were both slices of bread in a Door to Darkness sandwich.

Or the Destiny Islands are moving, but. Aqua goes back to the Islands on the ROD side to fight Demon Tide again. And the Islands fade in a call back to when they get restored, but. Aqua can't see Kairi and Sora.

edited 25th Apr '17 6:27:10 PM by unnoun

I assumed that the Aqua scene was when the Islands were fading from the ROD and being remade on the other side of the door. Basically the reverse of Kairi's scene in KH 1's end.

But. As Sora we already saw the Islands on the other side of the Door, just after Final Rest. It's where we fight Ansem the first time for the final boss.

So...

To be fair... its an open standing door. Its not like there's a wall exactly. I'm going to just say the border between the realms is vague and ever changing (similar to how doors to that realm can open anywhere for arbitrary reasons and are more common than doors OUT of the ROD) and thus we can have this confusing mess.

Hmm... good point. I assume that Sora ended up on destiny island after final rest due to DI being the closest "world piece" to the DTD (or because he and heartless ansem come from there maybe?). However there was more than one world piece of DI and the other piece was already on the other side. A&M were then able to access the endless abyss throgh the hidden place door and the rest is simple(ish)

Come to think of it... It might have been really cool if the BACKSIDE of Destiny Islands could have been the set piece for Aqua's fight. Then one could imagine Sora and Co fighting Ansem at the same time AND the whole fronside/backside could still justify the parallels they're making in these scenes while keeping the borders consistent: Destiny Islands would just simply be partially on oneside and on the other.

Why did Kairi get transported to Destiny Islands when the worlds were restored anyway? If everyone was transported back to where they came from, shouldn't she have been transported to Hollow Bastion?

edited 26th Apr '17 3:24:22 AM by DrDougsh

Perhaps that's where her Heart felt like it truly belonged.

She wasn't on Hollow Bastion when it was lost to darkness. She was on Destiny Islands.

Is the official explanation.

...As for why Sora didn't go back to the Islands. I mean. My guess is the Keyblade.

...One other weird thing is whether Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden was lost to darkness. Which. A lot of people talk like it was, but. It's still there. The castle is, anyway.

Maybe only part of the world got taken. The town. Somehow.

edited 26th Apr '17 4:16:23 AM by unnoun

Yeah I think that due to all of the experiments done there the dark powers that be were able to slow the destruction of Hallow Bastion. It looked fairly OMNOMED by the time sora arrived! Plus with the manufactured keyhole and such I think that the rest of the castle would have been consumed fairly quickly if the Princess of Heart plan was finished.

As of Dr Doughsh's question I agree with Karka, it was most likely that the revival process put all of the detizens that were currently on Traverse Town back to where they thought they belonged (was it ever confirmed that kairi remembered Radient Garden anway? cause im drawing a blank!)