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lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#96501: Feb 26th 2015 at 4:46:02 PM

Ah yes, the Happy Ending Override [lol]

edited 26th Feb '15 4:46:12 PM by lycropath

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#96502: Feb 26th 2015 at 4:48:48 PM

Like... if Lea and Axel are the same entity because Axel's got Lea's memories, but Sora and Roxas supposedly aren't because Roxas didn't start with any memories... that still implies that they came into existence with a separate consciousness from their original selves, and have to have the memories transferred over. So why would that apply to Sora, but not to Lea and the other Organizers?

Probably has something to do with the unusual way Sora became a Heartless, and/or Kairi restoring him to human form.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#96503: Feb 26th 2015 at 4:50:00 PM

Axel seemed to start out with all of Lea's memories.

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#96504: Feb 26th 2015 at 4:51:11 PM

Not that we get to see Axel being formed. Roxas is the only newborn Nobody we closely follow.

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lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#96505: Feb 26th 2015 at 4:53:04 PM

They are pretty ambiguous on whether Namine has Kairi's memories or not too.

TooManyIdeas Into Oblivion from Twilight Town Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Into Oblivion
#96506: Feb 26th 2015 at 4:53:21 PM

You'll also notice that (if I remember correctly) Axel and Lea's personalities are almost exactly the same, while Roxas and Xion have their own distinct personalties (they're more brooding, for instance wink ). That's probably important somehow, and I don't think it can be totally explained away by amnesia.

edited 26th Feb '15 4:53:56 PM by TooManyIdeas

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#96507: Feb 26th 2015 at 4:54:22 PM

[up][up] ...You mean when they outright state that she doesn't?

This is a bizarre definition of ambiguity I have never before encountered.

edited 26th Feb '15 4:56:03 PM by unnoun

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#96508: Feb 26th 2015 at 4:55:28 PM

They do? Was it in Ansem's Secret Report? I can't for the life of me remember when [lol]

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#96509: Feb 26th 2015 at 4:57:40 PM

In other words, both the Nobody called Naminé and the Heartless—proof of a lost heart—are extremely unstable beings who lack the bodies needed to produce a Nobody. Therefore, they also lack Kairi's memories.

The Heartless in question was Sora's but whatever.

Naminé doesn't have Kairi's memories.

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#96510: Feb 26th 2015 at 5:03:47 PM

Ahhh, Ansem's Secret Report?

Namine's such an odd duck isn't she.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#96512: Feb 26th 2015 at 5:22:47 PM

[up] That one link definitely struck me as the kind of arc I wanted to with Kairi in a fanfiction I'm writing.

The answer to the question "Who am I?" could be many things, thought at the Despair Event Horizon, she would say "nothing".

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TooManyIdeas Into Oblivion from Twilight Town Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Abstaining
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#96513: Feb 26th 2015 at 5:23:53 PM

Last one made me laugh. smile

Though I will say I do want Lea and Isa to make up. But only after Xion lays a beatdown on him.

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lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#96515: Feb 26th 2015 at 5:26:01 PM

I definitely thought purple and white suited her more. But I also think they needed to tone down the black on Sora's outfit.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#96516: Feb 26th 2015 at 5:26:22 PM

[up][up] How does purple and black sound?

edited 26th Feb '15 5:26:51 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#96517: Feb 26th 2015 at 5:27:30 PM

Sounds like it might look a bit dreary on Kairi.[lol]

edited 26th Feb '15 5:28:01 PM by lycropath

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#96518: Feb 26th 2015 at 5:27:34 PM

[up][up]Imagining costume... and now it's on my KH 3 wishlist.

Though I'd want more purple and less black.

edited 26th Feb '15 5:28:19 PM by TooManyIdeas

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#96519: Feb 26th 2015 at 5:31:47 PM

[up][up] Kairi: "During my year of solitude on Destiny Islands, I wrote several poems on the subject of the endless sea and how it relates to the human condition. Spoilers: it's about hopelessness."

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#96521: Feb 26th 2015 at 5:43:37 PM

[up] Is there a particular reason you're sharing that now?

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#96522: Feb 26th 2015 at 5:49:33 PM

The universe still exists.

No more.

Arguments that don't exist. Illusions.

Overdue.

Forget the balance.

The laws of the universe mean nothing.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#96523: Feb 26th 2015 at 6:03:22 PM

[up][up]I swear that link has been shared like four times.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#96524: Feb 26th 2015 at 6:05:04 PM

And I'm going to keep sharing it! Don't like it? Tough! evil grin

The true heart can tough the poison of hatred without being harmed.

edited 26th Feb '15 6:20:35 PM by unnoun

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#96525: Feb 26th 2015 at 6:06:25 PM

Axel and Lea are, for all intents and purposes, the same person. When Lea lost his heart, Axel still had all his memories and abilities, and built his persona on that. Then he slowly developed a heart over the course of Days. After he was destroyed and then reunited with his heart as Lea, he had his Axel memories as well and didn't change that much. Well, Lea in 3D is more of a dork and generally more friendly than Axel, but the differences are minimal. More to the point, Lea and Axel never coexisted.

Now, the whole clusterfuck that is Roxas and Namine's creations (with some Ventus thrown in for good measure) is something we've never really had explained, but it's hard to seriously argue that Roxas is Sora in all but a metaphysical sense. Roxas is born without memories or even a personality, and he slowly becomes his own person throughout Days — a person who is very different from Sora. Considering he developed a personality as he created bonds with his fellow Organization members, it's entirely possible that he was indeed created without a heart as most Nobodies are and grew one, but most clues hint that he had a heart all along, no less because he looks exactly like Ventus.

And at any rate, Roxas existed separate from Sora. They were even ambulatory at the same time, for some three weeks or so. If Roxas were a regular Nobody, this shouldn't be possible. What I'm getting at is that it's pretty hard to argue that Sora and Roxas are the same person in the same way that Axel and Lea are.

[up] Chille.

edited 26th Feb '15 6:09:13 PM by Ninety

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