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stevebat Since: Nov, 2009
#18076: Jan 31st 2016 at 8:51:50 AM

Zarhym. You can actually find him on timeless isle if you can tolerate all the skeleton puns.

Apocalypse: Dirge Of Swans.
Reymma RJ Savoy from Edinburgh Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
RJ Savoy
#18077: Jan 31st 2016 at 11:59:23 AM

At least some of the faces look genuinely wrinkled. They're not that popular though for whatever reason.

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.
stevebat Since: Nov, 2009
#18078: Jan 31st 2016 at 3:04:15 PM

Most of the post revamp gnome faces look genuinely terrifying.

Apocalypse: Dirge Of Swans.
Demetrios Our Favorite Tsundere in Red from Des Plaines, Illinois (unfortunately) Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
Our Favorite Tsundere in Red
#18079: Jan 31st 2016 at 3:12:49 PM

I can't quite remember what the original character models looked like. ^_^;;

I smell magic in the air. Or maybe barbecue.
Reymma RJ Savoy from Edinburgh Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
RJ Savoy
#18081: Jan 31st 2016 at 5:21:08 PM

Finally got my engineering to 350 where Wrath patterns appear. BC was as painful to skill up as classic. Hint to the devs: make the smoke flares available earlier, or better, spread them out, and lower a few adamantite patterns like the Frame so I'm not sitting on a pile of unusable ore while I'm scrounging about for Fel Iron.

Wrath still had ammunition, but at least it was produced in batches of 1000 instead of 200 so I'm assuming it wasn't as much part of the skill-up.

Did some pick-up raiding of BRF, but it didn't go far. Being a tank means you have the most weight of potential mistakes on your shoulders, but it also means the raid can't afford to kick you. Wish players didn't expect all bosses to go down on the first try.

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.
stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#18082: Jan 31st 2016 at 7:43:01 PM

Their solution to that profession issue is having Draenor recipies usable at level one.

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#18083: Jan 31st 2016 at 10:42:10 PM

The Gnomes have proper innie belly buttons now? Groovy.

stevebat Since: Nov, 2009
#18084: Feb 1st 2016 at 1:54:24 AM

Engineering is one of the cheaper professions to level in draenor, Sadly one of the less useful ones considering that their best and widely used items can be produced in a building without the profession.

Apocalypse: Dirge Of Swans.
Kiefen MINE! from Germany Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
MINE!
#18085: Feb 1st 2016 at 3:20:49 AM

Well the good thing about engineering has always been that most of their perks keep their usefulness across expansions,teleporters , nitro-boots and gliders never cease to be useful.

Adannor Since: May, 2010
#18086: Feb 1st 2016 at 6:34:30 AM

They just become incredulously cheap as everybody rushes to make some.

Mostly on the gliders and other tradeable stuff. BOP trinkets are generally nice.

edited 1st Feb '16 6:35:13 AM by Adannor

desdendelle (Avatar by Coffee) from Land of Milk and Honey (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Writing a love letter
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#18087: Feb 1st 2016 at 8:43:12 AM

*sneaks in*

The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground
3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#18088: Feb 3rd 2016 at 10:35:01 AM

...*casts hunter flare*

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Rotpar Since: Jan, 2010
#18089: Feb 4th 2016 at 7:12:08 AM

Don't recall—is there anything preventing my lowbie sister from being run through old raids? Level cap to zone in? Loot?

Do. Raid mobs provide experience? I remember being in a raid group slashes XP gain but nothing else.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#18090: Feb 4th 2016 at 7:22:17 AM

Old raids used to have level minimums, I don't know if that's changed. There are no level caps.

Being in a raid group cuts XP gain by a very large amount, but I am not sure how it's affected when the size of your raid is only two people. I am not even sure that you have to be in a raid group to enter; you can do it solo, so you should be able to do it as a party.

Your sister can get loot from the raids, obviously. Up until Mists of Pandaria added the concept of flex raiding, the drop rate for any given raid size was fixed, so there will be lots of loot to choose from. That gear won't remain relevant for long enough to matter, unless she's working on a transmog set for the future.

edited 4th Feb '16 7:23:50 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Adannor Since: May, 2010
#18091: Feb 4th 2016 at 7:25:38 AM

Pretty sure they all still have level minimums (that is, level cap of the expansion pack they belong to; maaaaybe up to two lower). XP is slashed extremely heavily, it'll be pretty much zilch IIRC.

Gear level is not an obstacle for manually entering places. Loot can be looted but nextpack gear outclasses it pretty fast.

edited 4th Feb '16 7:26:50 AM by Adannor

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#18092: Feb 4th 2016 at 7:28:19 AM

Well, I would assume that Rotpar would be sending a max-level toon to power her through the dungeon, in which case the gear she has equipped won't matter for squat. But if he does that, the split share of XP she gets as a lowbie will also be seriously reduced.

Moral: Running old raids is not a good powerleveling strategy. It's mainly for nostalgia.

edited 4th Feb '16 7:29:14 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Rotpar Since: Jan, 2010
#18093: Feb 4th 2016 at 8:31:35 AM

Yeah, wasn't too concerned with leveling so much as getting some transmog gear and seeing stuff she either did back in the day or missed out on. Probably best to wait for later. At least that way she won't squished by everything in the zone.

She stopped playing before Blizzard switched to Battle.net accounts and her account was stolen by her ex. So it was a bit of a chore to get things recovered and things are a mess, like characters transferred to other servers and the dude actually maxed out her total character limit across like a dozen servers.

She had the Stinky skunk reward for owning 50 pets and only had like eight in her inventory—he sold the rest and this was all before pets went account-wide anyway.

edited 4th Feb '16 8:32:53 AM by Rotpar

Reymma RJ Savoy from Edinburgh Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
RJ Savoy
#18094: Feb 4th 2016 at 8:59:47 AM

They could make old raids relevant to raiding by implementing them in LFR and letting characters in the expansion's level range scale up to them, then letting the gear scale down. As it is LFR is available for Dragon Soul and Pandaria but it requires a gear level at which you're likely to outlevel it before you can enter.

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#18095: Feb 4th 2016 at 9:08:51 AM

The scaling tech would certainly allow old raids to be run by current characters, but it requires an investment of development time, and people are already up in arms every time Blizzard devotes energy to anything other than new content.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#18096: Feb 4th 2016 at 9:12:30 AM

Plus it would wildly depend on numbers. I think that the numbers would give but im not sure most people would be willing to do hourlon queues for xmogs

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#18097: Feb 4th 2016 at 9:14:47 AM

I wouldn't add old raids to Raid Finder; I'd put them in flex scaling such that the dungeon adapts to how many players you bring. Want to 10-man MC? Great, your item levels are squished to 60 and the dungeon scales health and damage to 10 players.

The problem is that there is a lot of number crunching and development testing involved in rescaling all the old raids. Some encounter mechanics are grossly unbalanced given the current game systems; who wants to deal with mass-decursing in MC, for example? When they had that holiday event through Raid Finder, it was a pain in the ass, and that was scaled down to sissy difficulty.

edited 4th Feb '16 9:16:32 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#18098: Feb 4th 2016 at 9:30:00 AM

Core Hound collapses and begins to smolder

A NEARBY CORE HOUND HAS REIGNITED

ad infinitum

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Demetrios Our Favorite Tsundere in Red from Des Plaines, Illinois (unfortunately) Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
Adannor Since: May, 2010
#18100: Feb 4th 2016 at 9:49:03 AM

[up][up]Well if you're 10manning it with a premade, those will be MUCH less of a problem than in chaotic dumbass swamp of LFR.

Mass curses though, that's another thing.

edited 4th Feb '16 9:49:21 AM by Adannor


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