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Eagal This is a title. from This is a location. Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
This is a title.
#1852: Jun 19th 2017 at 9:47:00 AM

Long story.

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#1853: Jun 22nd 2017 at 5:38:08 PM

I'm just... confused

I always thought Snake grew up to be big boss?

Not like, Big Boss was his employer?

Why does BB just look like a slightly older Snake

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#1854: Jun 22nd 2017 at 5:51:45 PM

Snake (Solid Snake of Metal Gear 1 and 2 and Metal Gear Solid 1 and 4) is Big Boss' clone, or genetic son if you want to look at it that way. Big Boss went by Naked Snake as an operative.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#1856: Jun 22nd 2017 at 8:06:16 PM

As Ninety noted, Metal Gear Solid 3 and 5 are prequels about the origins of Big Boss, the main villain of Metal Gear 1 and 2. Solid Snake, franchise protagonist, is a clone of Big Boss.

Kazuhira Miller or Kaz as he went by when he worked for Big Boss eventually became disenchanted by Big Boss's military without borders ideology and left. He signed onto a United States special forces team called FOXHOUND and became Solid Snake's mentor - with the implication that Miller specifically trained Snake to counter and kill Big Boss, utilizing his intimate knowledge as one of Big Boss's former trustworthies.

Miller was ultimately successful in doing so, with Solid Snake not only killing Big Boss's body double Venom Snake but going on to bring down the big man himself, ending the ambitions we spend all of Metal Gear Solid V watching him build. In his own way, Kaz went on to be the worst thing that ever happened to MSF/Diamond Dogs.

Then shit got crazy.

edited 22nd Jun '17 8:08:33 PM by TobiasDrake

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#1857: Jun 23rd 2017 at 10:20:34 AM

"Yes, twins! But we're not ordinary twins. We're twins linked by cursed genes, Les Enfantes Terrible. You're fine. You got all of the old man's dominant genes. I got all the flawed, recessive genes. Everything was done so that you would be the greatest of his children. The only reason I exist is so they could create you."

"I was the favorite, huh?"

"SNAAAAAAAAAKE!"

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#1858: Jun 23rd 2017 at 3:18:48 PM

It's funny 'cause genes don't work that way.

And 'cause Snake is actually the one with all the flawed recessive genes, but Liquid and his perfect, chiseled abs never realized that.

And 'cause that's not actually what "recessive" and "dominant" genes mean anyways.

And because it's basically the plot of the movie Twins, in which the existence of Danny De Vito was finally explained to the world: he's all the crap left over from genetically engineering Arnold Schwarzenegger, the perfect man.

There's a lot of reasons to be entertained by Liquid's "recessive genes" tirades.

edited 23rd Jun '17 3:19:26 PM by TobiasDrake

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#1859: Jun 23rd 2017 at 3:20:09 PM

I love that the canon explanation for Metal Gear Solid 1 is that Liquid is just an idiot and doesn't know shit about genetics.

Oh really when?
TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#1860: Jun 23rd 2017 at 3:25:51 PM

Is it? I don't remember that being established, but it's been a long time so I might have forgotten.

If so, then my new headcanon is that whoever sold him on this idea got it from Twins. Or he came up with it himself while watching the movie late at night.

Liquid: Of course! It all makes sense now. Like Danny De Vito, I was cast out unwanted and unloved for my failure genes!

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#1861: Jun 23rd 2017 at 3:27:17 PM

It wasn't ever actually said in the game itself but a while later Kojima said in an interview that Liquid was just dumb.

Oh really when?
Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#1862: Jun 23rd 2017 at 4:02:50 PM

IIRC, it eventually gets a nod in MGS5, where Eli (young Liquid) has stellar test scores in every subject except biology? Or maybe I'm misremembering.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#1864: Jun 23rd 2017 at 4:24:53 PM

[up][up] That is canon. Of course he has a inferiority complex, so he'll find anything to blame but himself directly.

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#1865: Jun 23rd 2017 at 4:26:10 PM

Perfect.

So, yeah, the dominant v. recessive genes thing came from getting really drunk and watching Twins while crying, "That's my life! That's SO my life!"

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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#1866: Jun 24th 2017 at 3:04:44 AM

You should add this to the WMG page.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#1867: Jun 24th 2017 at 3:10:00 AM

I mean, the worse part was how the US Government/The Patriots thought that was how genetics worked when making the twins.

Granted, gene therapy and cloning were pretty new at the time.

...By which I mean, like. Nonexistent. Publicly.

As in, they hadn't made Dolly the sheep yet.

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#1868: Jun 24th 2017 at 3:14:54 AM

Well since it's established it's what Liquid thought they were thinking, I'd bet the truth was more along the lines of "let's make two clones, so we can boost one and keep the other as control group".

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
shigmiya64 Somebody get this freaking duck away from me! from a settlement that needs our help, General Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Somebody get this freaking duck away from me!
#1869: Jun 24th 2017 at 10:57:11 AM

[up][up][up][up] Well the thing about one twin being the superior and one being the inferior that was necessary to make the superior is true. Liquid just doesn't know biology and the terminology he uses to describe it is all wrong, and he's wrong about which of them is the inferior.

Eagal This is a title. from This is a location. Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
This is a title.
#1870: Jun 25th 2017 at 11:58:05 PM

Just a wild animal

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
Kayeka Since: Dec, 2009
#1871: Jun 26th 2017 at 4:48:26 AM

Not gonna lie: when I noticed nothing happened when I dropped some meat in front of a fox, my next instinct was to find out what it would drop.

EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#1872: Jun 26th 2017 at 5:04:07 AM

I play my Link as a bit of a pyromaniac survivalist. If it can't be friend it is food or resource.

Adannor Since: May, 2010
#1873: Jun 26th 2017 at 5:06:44 AM

Well at least you have "befriend it" as priority one.

EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#1874: Jun 26th 2017 at 6:14:40 AM

Link has been alone for over 100 years, he wants friends. All his friends are dead.

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#1875: Jun 26th 2017 at 8:15:59 AM

I tend to ignore the foxes, mostly because the meat they drop isn't all that great and it's easier to hunt wolves and deer anyway.


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