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i always wanted one where the lusii are complaining about their kids over tea, like in all those fancomics ive seen

Ok I made the image. I'm not sure that this is the best arrangement of the aspects on it, but it is the first one I fully specified.

Probably doesn't accurately predict anything, but it looks kinda neat/cool.

here it is: link◊

nearness represents similarity. Distance represents dissimilarity.

Does anything on it stick out as appearing particularly wrong?

Looking for criticisms of it.

If this image is hard to read I can try to make a better one.

edit: I'm trying to make a link not an image. Why is it trying to embed it and then telling me it wont.

edited 1st Aug '14 12:42:59 PM by madaco

One of These Doomsdays chapter 4 by A Lee Martinez.

Continued from part 1, part 2, and part 4.

Um...

Okay truth be told, other than the fact that I have a sense of there being "opposed" or "opposite" aspects, I'm not sure if I put much stock in the aspect wheel idea to begin with?

I feel the concept of "aspect neighbors" is an unnecessary layer of complexity, that doesn't seem to have enough explanatory power to justify speculating about it. Not to mention a lack of canon indication one way or another. That being said, there's no reason that the aspects couldn't be arranged in such a way. I just don't think it's a particularly fruitful direction for speculation.

That being said, it would be pretty cool if the arrangement were actually on the sides of a platonic solid instead of arranged in a wheel.

I'm not sure if there's anything *obviously* wrong with the arrangement, it looks at least like the opposites are all in order

edited 1st Aug '14 1:31:19 PM by Keybreak

The twelve are the canon aspects, not the classes. The classes are what appear to be active or passive. The aspects themselves just appear to be, ready to fill in whatever container the classes are.

I see your edit and will not forget your mistake.

edited 1st Aug '14 1:32:10 PM by aceofspades

Who said what?

Hrrrm, the classes are active and passive, and the aspects mostly appear to be opposing so much that people just say that they are...

Those are classes.

Aspects are like breath and time.

Classes are like muse and prince.

Imp: thank you for feedback.

So you don't for exams see any similarities between eg. blood and doom?

(not that I think it's at all certain that there is any formal connection, it just seems like they could be connected maybe)

Edit: partially ninja'd

edited 1st Aug '14 1:59:58 PM by madaco

Uhm...I guess there could be like, similarities? If Doom does have to do with rules, in part, it makes some amount of sense that the aspect of bonds and responsibility would be it's "neighbor." If "neighbors" are a thing.

Also since it was brought up, the idea that there are opposites comes from Life and Doom being called by Calliope "as different as can be"

So are cats and dogs, but they aren't necessarily opposites. Though people like to say they are. They're just animals with different sets of behaviors that we tend to love anyway.

I tend to try to say "as different as can be" instead of opposite when speaking of aspects because I find it easier to defend and also doesn't make arguments much harder in my experience.

Also, I'm not sure I totally understand your dog/cats analogue. Are you saying that as far as quadruped animals go, they are as different as can be? I think that, for example, an armadillo would be more different from a cat than a dog would be?

"Opposite" only really works if you apply it to specific traits of things and not the entire thing itself. And it only works for some traits and not others.

Yeah see I reject your premise. Dogs and Cats are very far from as different as two things can be from one another.

Again, one definition of opposite would in fact be "most different" or "maximally different." You're just being irritating by not understanding this.

The opposite of a dog is that same dog, only composed of antimatter.

what in the fuck is going on here

Scientific proof that thinking too much about the Sburb game mechanics is bad for your mental health.

Wouldn't the opposite of a dog be a not-dog?

edited 1st Aug '14 4:15:03 PM by Victin

A so-dog.

The opposite of dog is obviously -dog.

6op

A not-dog is what you call a dog-shaped hole through the very fabric of reality itself, right?

A qoa.

I suppose what the opposite of a dog is might depend on context/ be dependant on what it is opposite of relevant to some baseline or collection/type?

In which case, in the collection of typical non-caged housepets, cats and dogs would be opposites, by the virtue of being the only two things in that collection, if nothing else.

And in the collection containing only the species dog (not seperated into sub species or individual dogs or anything) , the opposite of a dog would be a dog, because that would be the thing in the collection that is most unlike a dog (which, in this case, would be completely like a dog, but theres no helping that)

idk.

dogs?

edit: also, in the image I linked, were there things adjacent to other things that seemed less similar compared to things that they were not adjacent to? (so that, while preserving opposite sides being maximally different, is there any way that you would rearrange the sides such that adjacent sides tended to be more similar, more often?)

edited 1st Aug '14 5:09:56 PM by madaco

Well I'm not sure about that, really. I guess it's difficult for me to think quantitatively about the lateral relations between aspects in more than one or two directions at once.

Homestuck has too many things to think dimensionally about.

Classes, aspects, timelines, Mediums, romance...

And not just between characters! It's also about what quadrant they're in.