Dragon Ball Z Abridged

I specified fertile offspring.

Gohan was able to reproduce.

And Pan doesn't seem to have any life-threatening deformities, so.

The odds of that are infinitesimal.

edited 2nd Jun '15 6:01:15 PM by unnoun

But humans represent!

I don't like the idea that the humans in Dragon Ball are just so incompetent at everything that they need aliens to help them. It's an underlying theme in the series that I wish wasn't there.

People also can't use their body's energy in order to fly, move faster than sound, or shoot energy beams. Yeah, it's scientifically improbable but I fail to see your point.

Offspring being fertile also doesn't mean they're the same. Very closely related sure, but not the same. Plus humans and saiyans really shouldn't be but lol actionadventurecomedyscifi says it can work so it does. From that perspective I have no problem with it.

I get that this is a joke but you should get why it annoys me if only a little. You make comments about things like this ever so often.

I never said I had a problem with it in the context of the show. I actually said I didn't. That's not what I'm annoyed with.

That's an underlying theme in most series that feature humans and nonhumans be they mystical or extraterrestrial. Which is weird because thins like that also tend to make humans the most important characters or force a crappy Humans Are Special moral into the story.

edited 2nd Jun '15 6:05:29 PM by LSBK

It's less humans are incompetent and more that Saiyans are OP

edited 2nd Jun '15 6:03:25 PM by LeGarcon

Krillin is stronger than 99.9% of all Saiyans that ever lived.

...Yes, you're right that things are more complicated than that and this series isn't very realistic.

edited 2nd Jun '15 6:07:59 PM by unnoun

That was directed and unnoun, not you. It's one thing to passively note that something's impossible or at least highly improbable (I do that all the time) but it's another thing to fixate on it unless the work in question has realism a selling point or something.

edited 2nd Jun '15 6:06:57 PM by Zelenal

Ok more Goku and Vegeta are OP

I think the correct answer is the Super Saiyan transformation is OP. Oh, and Zenkai.

Zenkai is definitely OP. As is the 400x power boost of SSJ3. Or even the 100x power boost of SSJ2.

By the end of the series, Krillin is stronger than Nappa would have been as a Great Ape.

edited 2nd Jun '15 6:21:43 PM by unnoun

Eh, just introduce some reason why humans can get on Saiyans' level. "Humans really have no upward limit if they keep working on it", or "Did you know about this powerup locked deep in human genetics?" or something. Would be about as arbitrary as Zenkai.

Agreed. The one thing I can definitely say GT did that I liked was it gave us that scene and the mini-arc for 18 that surrounded it, especially since Krillin and 18 are very entertaining together.

As for the tone of the new show changing - it's probably going to do so somewhat, but not a whole lot. Even with the Beerus movie, which is a bit more traditional, I got the sense with the most recent DBZ productions that Toriyama was going for a less intense and more loose tone, while still actiony: as if he started looking over DBZ again after some time and decided to move forward with a tone more akin to Dragonball's. Given the character moments in the recent stuff, I wouldn't be surprised if the new productions at least tried to give more weight to the supporting cast.

On the other hand... yeah. The way power itself was steadily structured over the course of the entire series, unless something makes an insane upheaval and changes the rules to an outrageous degree it's almost impossible to justify most of the cast - especially the non-Saiyans - having a serious impact in terms of combat, and that's ultimately what the series comes down to. He'd have to change more than just the tone, but the format as a whole, in order for the supporting cast to work with major prominence. Or at least focus a lot more on character dynamics, which could easily backfire.

edited 2nd Jun '15 11:25:42 PM by KnownUnknown

Super's plot will be about someone wishing all the Earthlings to become Saiyans.

Super Saiyan King Furry incoming.

Nah, Xenoverse happened, so not every human has saiyan blood.

Someone mentioned the Para Para brothers a while back. I could see the new series introducing aliens that force everybody to get jiggy with it, and must be defeated by outdancing them. Vegeta's reaction is to say "I'm a much better dancer than Kakarot!", and him and Goku get a dance-off and forget about the aliens.

Meanwhile, the rest of the cast is trying to actually save earth by outdancing the aliens. Krillin's got the moves, but he's afraid of taking the spotlight from C-18, who's got two left feet. Gohan's saiyaman routine is ineffective, Tien is Tien, and Yamcha trips on his own feet. Then the day is saved when Piccolo reveals that he had always liked disco, and had the moves to show it.

Am I putting my expectations in this series too high? 'Cause I genuinely want stuff like that to happen.

I think a good solution would be for the first villain to de-power Goku and Vegeta so that they're equally as powerful as the humans and Piccolo.

But the humans and Piccolo are nowhere near equally powered. And there are other Saiyans.

Piccolo is as strong, if not stronger, than 18 at this point. I think.

And she can hand Vegeta his ass even when he's a super saiyan.

Vegeta: YOU! NAMEKIAN! TOO STRONG! EXPLAIN NOW!

Krillin: He fused with Kami.

Vegeta: The Fuck's a Kami?

Krillin: Basically God.

18 could train for four months.

It would work, too.

edited 3rd Jun '15 6:01:45 AM by unnoun

Piccolo was cyborg-tier and then spent a year in the hyperbaric lime chamber. He is only weaker than Gohan, Vegeta and Goku.

The cyborgs could train in the time chamber!

Or get upgrades from the super genius lady!

Or both!

I mean, Bulma has the blueprints so she could upgrade anyone she wanted.

@Echoing Silence: "BUT I'M STILL HERE!"

Do you really believe your own hype that much?