Bleach

And that's probably the main reason the reaction to Zombietta is so muted here. Not a lot of people feel bad because not a lot of people here liked Bambietta.

My take is a bit more objective: Bambietta already had karma thrown at her via Dangai Joue, which makes Zombietta rather overkill, serving no real purpose other than to make Giselle look awful. Which is pretty characteristic of Kubo to do, now that I think about it.

edited 10th Jul '14 5:14:35 AM by Sledgesaul

My reaction to Zombietta is 'meh' because I had seen it coming for weeks haha.

Actually, I've seen a lot of people throw a fit purely because they liked Bambietta.

Hey, it's not like I'm saying either reaction is completely wrong.

I just feel that there's a lack of objectivity in some folks; whether they felt bad or not, it doesn't change how Giselle is a nasty human being.

Not saying there's a lack of objectivity in most people here. Just wanted to get that off my chest.

edited 10th Jul '14 5:33:12 AM by Sledgesaul

Which reminds me... Who else is jarred by Yhwach's quick appearance at the Royal Realm? I mean, it feels too early.

I saw Zombietta coming, so "meh" even though I like her.

I find Giselle boring, so even if a character's sex/gender identity/sex life was something I cared about, I wouldn't in her case, and would just wait for it to be resolved later.

Kirinji is much more interesting.

Then lemme take that back. The reason most people here are meh over it is because they saw it coming. XP

Giselle is boring? :O Naaaah.

Objectively, the sternritter are all a bunch of murdering assholes. So far, there has been no attempt to given them an even understandable reason for pursing the war against the shinigami, or to even imply that one exists. They certainly all deserve worse than to lose a fight.

My real problem with Zombietta is as I stated- the sheer amount of dog-kick the sternritter direct at each other is killing my ability to take them seriously. How are a bunch of people who are so insanely anti-social as to kill one of their friends just because they can even active as an organization in the first place? Even mobsters don't kill each other just because one of them tripped and were temporarily vulnerable.

Because Yhwach. He's their boss, so his lack of action (even encouragement) towards the Sternritter dog kicking is his responsibility.

That doesn't explain how the organization hasn't devolved into a bloody free-for-all. And it doesn't explain why Yhwach wouldn't even care, from a practicality standpoint, that his soliders keep killing each other. Or why he'd go out of his way to find so many people who aren't just cold blooded killers, but who are pathological teamkillers.

It really shows how little thought was given to the Vandenreich other than "I need a bunch of new dudes for the Shinigami (and maybe Ichigo) to fight." They're one of the least disguised bunch of stupid evil villains I've ever seen, including groups of villains who were supposed to be stupid evil and not taken seriously.

Yhwach lives as long as people die, and he's kept the Sternritter around up until the war with the Seireitei so he cold maximize the anount of souls assimilated by him.

Like Haschwalth said, this war is for extending Yhwach's life over everything else.

edited 10th Jul '14 6:41:26 AM by Sledgesaul

Why not just kill them himself then? It's not like he can't. And how has he kept the Sternritter around at all if he intentionally chooses people inclined to kill each other for no reason then does nothing to encourage them not to?

Probably◊ because◊ of◊ this◊.

Yeah, he's real intolerant of infighting. That's why he recruits so many people who like infighting and nobody has been even slightly worried that their teamkilling may have repercussions.

Also, him killing one of his subordinates for a minor argument with another while claiming to not like fighting is what we call "irony". The takeaway there isn't supposed to be "Oh man, he really doesn't like fighting!" Hell, I'm pretty sure if anyone did come to him complaining about how one of the other sternritter tried to kill them Ywach would kill the guy complaining on the spot because he doesn't like to hear about that sort of thing.

edited 10th Jul '14 7:02:28 AM by Bloodsquirrel

Ah, X in Leather Pants. They're comfy and easy to wear!

well,the mooks help with spreading his soul stuff.

See, that's why I didn't just link Luders and Ebern's thing, and instead added the bits where challenging his authority is a big no. Yhwach doesn't like infighting, and anyone that does it is killed by him. What we've seen the Sternritter do is (Giselle, Haschwalth) kill those that have already lost their fights. Yhwach apparently has no problem with that. The organization is a thing because they can't just be killing each other left and right.

It's been spelled out pretty clearly that Yhwach embodies cold, calculated pragmatism. He only cares about his own ass, so he launches a war that allows him to assimilate the powers of everyone who does. That's why he has people that are so cutthroat - it keeps him alive while they deal with his enemies.

the hell?◊

We've also seen Bazz-B attack the femritters in the middle of a fight, Gremmy trying to drop a giant meteor on all of their heads and Bambietta killing men because she's frustrated. A couple of characters claiming that Ywach doesn't like infighting really doesn't hold up against someone like Bazz-B being on the team when every single thing we see about him screams that he doesn't get along with anyone and is constantly causing trouble.

Also, why does them losing a fight suddenly mean that they are of no value? Especially when they do serious damage to the enemy in the process? Healing is easy in Bleach.

The only thing keeping Ywach alive is that nobody is strong enough to kill him. Having some level of discipline in your force is pragmatic. Team work is pragmatic. Incentivizing people to take risks for you by not automatically killing them if they fail is pragmatic. Killing your subordinates to assimilate their powers at any time other than in the middle of a battle might be pragmatic, if they're more valuable as the powers than as fighters*.

Pragmatic Villainy

Ywach is not pragmatic. He does evil badguy things because they're evil badguy things to do.

• The whole thing with him assimilating powers doesn't even make sense. If he could absorb Gremmy's powers then he'd easily be able to kill all of the Gotei 13 by himself. Why even keep Gremmy around if Ywach can have that power for himself?

edited 10th Jul '14 8:17:13 AM by Bloodsquirrel

Because Gremmy killed two captains. That equals more souls for him to assimilate. He only holds value in their abilities, and again, he's maximizing the amount of deaths by unleashing them against their enemies and one another. I'm not saying it's correct, but, well, he's getting stronger with each death.

By the way, given Candice's aversion to touching Giselle's blood, I think Quincies die when they make contact with her blood, then they fall under her control. If true, then it could mean her zombies revert to normal once she dies... or if Orihime resurrects them.

edited 10th Jul '14 8:25:17 AM by Sledgesaul

You mean the two captains who had already been defeated and were lying in bed unconscious? Yeah, real impressive.

We saw Bazz-B attack them without lethal force and out of Yhwach's presence. He didn't even pursue the matter any further once they got up, and they didn't bother trying to attack him either.

We saw Gremmy drop the meteor to kill Kenpachi. He wasn't thinking about anyone or anything else, by his own admission. The Sternritter getting wiped out would have been collateral damage.

edited 10th Jul '14 8:39:10 AM by Cruherrx

Kubo's doing it on purpose,

Most likely going for a 'You don't understand the other side of the war most of the time' deal.

Oddly enough you keep saying the group is FULL of teamkillers when in reality the three major events of it

Gremmy and Bazz-B's are seen as **** moves by the other SR and is treated as such.

Though I can't really argue with the night Right since it sole purpose is to give Soifon and Toshiro a Win... by merely surviving.

He put a burning finger straight through their bodies. And then a bunch more sternritter and shinigami showed up before he could do anything else (The fact that they don't attack him afterward just shows how accepted this is as regular behavior among them).

And the fact that he's out of Ywach's presence means nothing. If Ywach actually cared Bazz-B would have to do a lot more to cover his ass than to not directly do it in front of him. Just because you don't drag someone into a police station before murdering them doesn't mean that the police are not going to care.

Gremmy only teamkilling because he doesn't care to not teamkill as opposed to doing it actively isn't much better.

Three major events- not counting Ywach's own- is a lot. We've only been with these guys for a few days now. And, again, someone kind of thinking that you're an ass for teamkilling is a far cry from it not being tolerated in an organization.

edited 10th Jul '14 8:57:36 AM by Bloodsquirrel