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Men are also raped as much as women in America.

So

Fucking

Opressed.

No, you said it was RIGHT to be biased against somebody. And you wanna know what happened THE LAST TIME SOMEBODY SAID IT WAS OKAY TO HATE ANOTHER GROUP ON PRINCIPLE ALONE!? I can tell you, If you really wanna see it.... just say the word. I ask you again, in the name of peace and sanity, WHEN DO YOU STOP!? When do you stop hating them? When is it not okay anymore? How far do you have to go before hate is seen for what it really is.... the purest expression of evil that can exist in a world made of grey.

It's okay to be angry at being oppressed, it's okay to fight back even... but hate is NEVER the answer. It solves NOTHING. All it does is cause more damage in the end. I'm not AGAINST any sort of rights movement, I'm against the use of hatred as a means for ANYTHING.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:13:24 PM by Raylas

@Tobias

Riiiight... Or the definition of "treats as sex object" has been turned into so wide it's meaningless. Seriosuly. You can't do anything without it being constructed as "oppressing woman". Open a door? Treating women as a weak. Do not open the door? Being a jerk. Find a woman sexy? How dare you be heterosexual!

@Wacked

Define "oppress". If you insist, white men are, from very early age, taught to feel guilty for the fact that they are white and male. That they are to "apologize" for other people for events that happened hundreds of years before their own birth.

White men is taught, from the birst, that problems of the world stem from him. He is also taught conflicting rules of how to not to offend people, due to his guilt. He is taught that he does not accomplish anything by his own, only through the fact that he is white male.

That by just existing, a white man is oppressing people left and right and he should feel guilty of his own existence.

"I'm sorry I'm male. I'm sorry I'm white."

Then there are inconvenient facts that feminist rather bury is dismiss and myths that are well kept to this day.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:16:15 PM by Mandemo

I'm Jewish.

Go on. Say it. Godwin me. Insult my goddamn intelligence by daring to imply that, as per my argument that yes, it is okay to hold ill-will against an oppressive party, the Jews were somehow in power in Germany in the 1930s—or the Romani, or the homosexuals, or any number of smaller non-Aryan groups.

Please. It'd amuse me.

Your argument is that it's OK to hate people. Without reservation.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:17:25 PM by Mandemo

No, seriously, you actually think the magazine is a direct shot at the fanbase, with Sm representing people who don't like the Sisterhood plot? Really? Rather than the magazine being, say, either an opposing porn magazine or opposing advice column to the magazine in the previous strip? An extension of the plot between those two?

Like... I don't understand that. Not everything is a symbol; sometimes it's just what it looks like, and I think this is one such case.

On the rest of this conversation? I now dread the appearance of the Sisterhood in any given strip. Not for the characters themselves, but for what them even being visible in a panel does to this thread.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:18:34 PM by Enlong

It's only meaningless because you don't want to accept that it exists. This is a spectacularly worthless argument for ignoring the plight of women, and this kind of attitude is exactly the reason this behavior continues; because men refuse to listen. Men get angry and defensive and start ranting, "What about the MEN?!" when gender issues are brought up. We've seen plenty of that in this very thread.

Blow it off all you want. I'm not going to be able to convince you otherwise, because this attitude is a huge part of the problem, and it's completely self-fulfilling. Bitch and moan and gripe about how awful feminists are demonizing men and making shit up all you want. All you're doing is being an example.

Oh, bullshit they are. This is just more valueless hate ranting.

Don't dread the Sisterhood. This happens even when the comic is about Lil'E or Criminy and Fyoosh. This thread is so full of hate that some folk will jump on any opportunity to soapbox about it, even if they have to make one up to do it.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:20:03 PM by TobiasDrake

Do you have any ill-feeling against germans?

No. They have no negative impact on my day to day life and I don't have fewer opportunities or rights because of them.

If I was alive in Germany in the 1930s and 40s, though, I probably would've.

To this day my grandpa refused to buy products manufactured in Germany. Personally, I also find this meaningless for the reasons outlined above. But it's hard to fault him for it.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:20:50 PM by Wackd

Good to know, bigot.

The hell?

I'm a bigot because I don't hate Germans?

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:21:27 PM by Wackd

Yeah, and this is why I gave up on Feminism and decided to be Egalitarian. (Referring to Tobias)

Because Feminism is hate ideology. It does not seek equality, it seeks to create new oppression system by demonizing entire male gender.

As for Sisterhood, it all depends what Tat's does with them. When he makes poorly constructed straw man that can be shot down in less than 5 seconds, people will shoot it down... with following "FEMINIST CAN'T BE WRONG!!!!!" defenders coming out.

If Tats' could make intelligent point, then people would just nod, perhaps note that it's an improvement.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:22:17 PM by Mandemo

and Welcome to Victim-Blaming: The Series.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:22:35 PM by TobiasDrake

You said that you would hate someone for something that they didn't do to you if you lived in the proper-timeframe.

That qualifies enough.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:22:36 PM by SiennaCiShan

It's something that I have ample evidence they would've done to me, though! I mean, can you imagine how much of a saint you'd have to be to come out of the Holocaust and not hate Germans even a little bit? I'm honestly kinda shocked that some survivors manage it.

There exist people who call themselves feminists who do all that.

I'm pretty damn sure they're doing it (feminism) wrong.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:24:43 PM by Enlong

Then by your own logic, The German people deserve nothing less than utter hatred. So tell me: Do. You. Hate. the. Germans? Do you feel like they deserve payback? Yes or no for each question, please. What say you?

You wanna know how they manage it? I asked one of them once, he TOLD ME. He said that if he hated them, even after all they had done, he would FEEL like them. They acted on hate, to hate them would perpetuate the cycle. Sometimes you just gotta let go of the anger, even if YEAH, the other party TOTALLY DESERVES IT AND NOBODY WOULD FAULT YOU, you still just have to let go of the hate and put your energy elsewhere. Like making sure it doesn't happen again.

I won't Godwin you, I was actually referring to the MOST RECENT occurrence of such hate, if you'd recall. Namely, I was AIMING for the homophobia of organized religion and the acts committed thereby. Godwin's law only works if you commit EXTREME acts in the name of the hate, so get back to me if you ever do so, we'll talk.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:26:51 PM by Raylas

German =/= Nazi, even in the 30's and 40's.

Nice try, though.

The hell?

edit:

I... I think I just can't figure this thread out. I'm utterly out of my depth here.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:26:16 PM by Enlong

What? No! It's not a matter of what people deserve. No modern German deserves to be hated based on what happened during the Holocaust. It's a matter of what can reasonably be expected from the mindset of an oppressed person. And, in my opinion, unless violence is resorted to, being sensitive to the survivors should take priority over being sensitive to the Germans.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:29:44 PM by Wackd

Which part did you have trouble with, I'll explain if you'd like? Not being patronizing, just trying to bring the general mood away from "hate the oppressor" to "Webcomic discussion".

Can we PLEASE try for some notion of peace? At least stop preaching the idea that hate is ever a good thing? Please?

"What? No! It's not a matter of what people deserve. No modern German deserves to be hated based on what happened during the Holocaust. It's a matter of what can reasonably be expected from the mindset of an oppressed person. And, in my opinion, unless violence is resorted to, being sensitive to the survivors should take priority over being sensitive to the Germans."

Ooooooooooooooooh. Okay, see I think you and I kinda missed the mark on each other. I thought you were saying "IF you've been wronged, at ANY POINT, it is okay to hate your oppressor" Okay, I gotcha now. Sorry about that man, I have a bit of a short fuse when it comes to anything I see as hate speech and I lost my temper. And yes, one WOULD expect hate ffrom the person oppressed, but a large portion of them seem to be willing to let go of the hate and educate the masses.

Sorry about that, I gravely misjudged and misunderstood what you were saying, and I apologize to you for that.

Can we agree to shake hands and move on?

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:32:02 PM by Raylas

Why is it an either/or situation?

I just don't understand the conclusion drawn regarding his views. And I'd rather the conversation be steered away, so I'm going to politely decline the explanation.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:30:32 PM by Enlong

@Englong

Who decides what "Feminism" is? There are a lot of hate speech thrown by prominent feminist. No mainstream "Feminist" organization ever distances themselves from these or try to argue back.

If you ask those "Radical Feminist", they will tell you that "Soft Feminist" are doing it wrong. There is nobody to say what "real" Feminism is. Yet, when "Real Feminist" don't condemn hate speech... well, what else am I to conclude that they accept it.

Silent approval is still approval.

Not to mention concepts of "Patriarchy" and "Rape Culture" keep getting thrown around... When they are blatantly false.

edited 3rd Oct '13 5:32:36 PM by Mandemo