Star Wars: The Acolyte

Sure hope this is good.

Even if it is, I can't say I'm too optimistic about it doing terribly well.

Andor was beloved and I watched it week to week, but it just did not get a lot of engagement for a while. I think the one-two punch of Kenobi and Book of Boba Fett left people tepid at best. And in between this and Andor, we get the one-two punch of mediocrity from Mando S3 and Ahsoka so... yeah. I could see the past repeating itself here.

Looks decent so far.

I hope they will actually commit to this shows unique hook and keep the Acolyte as a villain till the end.

One thing the Star Wars tv shows have been doing consistenty that I really respect, even if it doesn't always work out, is being very wide-ranging in who they get for directors and writers.

Like, for every Alex Lopez (a guy who has worked on a lot of genre tv like Witcher and Punisher and makes a lot of sense for a project like this), they also get Kogonada, a guy who is as a much film critic (in the literary sense) as he is a writer/director.

I also loved that we get a reference to A New Hope, right in the beginning of the trailer.

Edited by ArthurEld on Mar 19th 2024 at 4:54:14 AM

Can you add a call forward to the trope page? I missed whatever you saw.

I noticed the instructor telling the younglings "your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them" is taken from Obi-Wan's lesson to Luke. Not really a Call-Forward, more implying that phrase is a common lesson for Jedi.

I am a little intrigued by the show, if only because it's the first dedicated live action work not centered around the prequel, original and sequel trilogy time period.

There haven't been any live action works centred around the sequels.

Well, none that have come out yet.

There's something in the works for the sequel era?

Well Mandoverse kinda sequels adjecent since its set beetwen them and Originals and is meant to partly lead into former.

There are further sequel stories in the works, yes.

But keeping things on this topic, it's possible we'll be getting into other Dark Side groups (And possibly the Order of the Path) who later get subsumed or eliminated by the Sith.

Star Wars Explained released video about mysterious maybe Sith from trailer. Specificaly giving his opinions about more… out there theories.

Here.

Edited by EmperorGeode on Mar 21st 2024 at 4:02:16 AM

It's Marrok in his first life

I don't get the trailer. I heard that it is supposed to be a murder mystery, but I get the idea that we know who the Sith is. Is the Sith the Acolyte? because I am not sure how that term fits into Star Wars. It also looks a bit like a kung fu film. It also hints that the Sith is powerful enough to fight a large amount of Jedi at once.

So I've seen a lot of complaints that this series supposedly breaks canon, as Episode 1 mentions the Sith have been extinct since a millenia.

We don’t know what’s going to happen. Could be all the Jedi who learn of the Sith die before they can warn anyone else. Could be conservative elements on the council ignore or cover things up rather than accept the Sith are still around. I would assume part of the draw of the series is seeing how they maintain their secrecy.

You mean same movie whose entire plot is that Sith are ready to exact their vengence after 1000 years of waiting and which has Jedi Council disbelief that man in a black cloak with Red Lightsaber is a Sith?

True, there are lot of ways it could go and Jedi council stays in dark or decides it’s not worth making common knowledge/better off if just covered up.

Edited by EmperorGeode on Mar 24th 2024 at 1:08:36 AM

I'm gonna wait and see how the actual story will play out before I take any complaint like that seriously.

No reason to believe that the Order leadership will know what exactly went down here by the end of the series.

I have seen speculation that it will be used to explain how Yoda knows about rule of two, since it dosen’t really add up with history of how it was created.

Exactly when does this show take place, compared to the prequels? Because if this is eight hundred years ago, I could see it as getting rounded up to a millennium. If it's two hundred years ago, less justified.

Anyway, I was searching for the trailer again on Youtube (wanted to send it to someone else) and came across a bunch of "review" videos about how this show WILL KILL STAR WARS FOREVER and so on and so forth. Is there any actual reason to be worried beyond the basic "not sure it will be good"? I didn't watch any of the videos, but the thumbnails did not exactly make me think that they were high journalism.

It’s the end of the High Republic era, so I believe about a century before the Clone Wars.

I mean, it's Disney's Star Wars. Pretty much EVERY new piece of it get's the "WOKE HAS RUINED STAR WARS FOREVER!!!!" treatment by the usual outrage merchants.

But that doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of valid points of criticism for certain releases. I mean, this Forum is pretty unanimous in their dislike for Rise of Skywalker, f.e.

Edited by Forenperser on Mar 24th 2024 at 9:14:25 AM

It takes place around hundred years before TPM, so around 900 years after end of Jedi-Sith war.

Yeah, don’t put that much stock in those kinds of video’s. Even if show ends up bad (which I higly doubt), nothing will kill Star Wars. Those people have been saying Franchise is dead for years.

I like Rise of Skywalker, but agree people are allowed to have thing they dislike for valid reasons.

Edited by EmperorGeode on Mar 24th 2024 at 1:17:42 AM

Breaking canon is largely irrelevant if the work is able to be just that good to make it worthwhile. The Kenobi show wasn't horrible, but also didn't really bring anything really interesting to the table and the canon breaks didn't do it any favors.

Any sense of a red lightsaber contradicting a statement in TPM largely depends on where the series ends. More than likely the Jedi had to have encountered people like Asajj Ventress claiming to be Sith but are just talking shit. So if the series ends with these rumors disappearing into the darkness, there is nothing to complain about except anything within the show itself.

Something worth pointing out, I don’t think we actually have flat out confrimation that Sith will be main threat or mystery of the series. All talk about show mentions vague “Dark forces” and Leslie Hedland openly stated “whatever you think Acolyte is, it’s not”, now she also stated that one of her main inspirations for show is question “how could Sith become Chancellor withous Jedi catching on”, plus Red lightsaber (thought as pointed out it is far from Sith exclusive thing). I definetely think they will play a role, but for now we only assume they will be main threat.

Just saying, it’s possible none of Jedi actually encounter Sith and they are bacround players to more “open” threat, whether as Man Behind the Man or oportunists who wait to see what they can pull from situation. Atleast for first season.

I enjoyed Rise of Skywalker too, for what it’s worth. (And Kenobi.)

But yeah, for years now I’ve mostly avoided YT reviews and the like, for precisely the reason that people get so hateful and melodramatic about things. I’ll reserve judgement on how it fits in with canon and such until I see the show proper.

Wait, people didn't like Kenobi? I thought the joke about that one was how surprised everyone was that they actually landed the ending well.

Maybe we'll finally see the Sith Eternal. That's a good place for an "acolyte," when before the Sith have always just called the junior member apprentices.