Invincible (Amazon Series)

Is he actually a nemesis or a surprisingly persistent goober?

Edited by Adannor on Mar 16th 2024 at 1:37:34 PM

Killcannon also fights Mark, so I wouldn't say he's exclusive to Eve either. He's just really good at being a Starter Villain and a recurring pest.

Eve's powers are limited only by the fact that she still has a human mind, and the use of that kind of power is very complex. It's kind of like DC's Firestorm who has the same kind of power. He's also limited by how hard his power is to use. The only reason high school student Ronnie Raymond could use his powers remotely well was because the other half of the Fusion Dance that is Firestorm was a Noble Prize winning physicist Martin Stein.

In later comics we see what her powers can really do when she's on the brink of death. Being that close to death removes whatever mental blocks she has, allowing her to overcome the limitation of not being able to change living beings. It's how she saves her own life in those situations.

Edited by M84 on Mar 17th 2024 at 4:07:53 PM

I wonder if Duplikate could have other copies of herself frozen in a few of Cicil's vaults, and whenever her field operative dupli-kates are wiped out or age out of the program, unfreeze one of the back ups and duplicate from the biologically 18 dupli-kate before freezing that one again.

I would have thought no because I had assumed Kate could only have up to five dupli-kates but we saw that wasn't true this episode, and it would also explain her line about having died as many times as The Immortal if she's secretly older.

Could be a situation where her biologically older dupli-kates can be used to pose as her own mother.

I do not think she'd have such immortality plan going. Immortal got his death count sequentially, she's getting them in parallel thanks to all of the clones engaging in combat.

It also helps that Immortal is pretty hard to even temporarily kill while her clones don't have any boosts.

Edited by Adannor on Mar 17th 2024 at 11:58:19 AM

That sounds potentially traumatizing to endure.

Her life is already traumatising, Cecil wouldn't see an issue with the trade off.

It's a plan that could potentially go very wrong. Which is consistent really — the whole point of Cecil's character is that this kind of "ends justify the means" Amanda Waller bullshit doesn't actually work.

Hmm how would that freeze work with her mental connection to clones.

Will the frozen one be disconnected and thus completely disoriented in time whenever she's out? Will she be connected and have a live feed of the rest going around while she's stuck in place?

I would guess she only looses the continuity of memory if there's no other conscious dupli-kates when she's unfrozen to synchronize with, at which point she only remembers everything up to the last time she was frozen.

Which if it's a generational back up, could be anything up to a couple decades.

I mean you could also keep a non frozen Kate confined in a bunker during that time to preserve continuity, but that sounds so cruel she'd probably rather be frozen.

It wouldn't be an issue of course if she has an aged out dupli-kate in her fifties living at home pretending to be her own mother.

Edited by Whowho on Mar 17th 2024 at 4:01:21 AM

Keeping a backup without freezing plan is perfectly fine on mental health front. She's not imprisoned in a bunker, she's just hidin out in a safehouse (or several, for redundancy), chilling out.

On the frozen idea though. That means getting unfrozen every decade, getting brainblasted with how many memories? 10 years from the mindlink backup, 10 years from the active superhero, who'd also have her own layers of memories from splitting, also including injuries and deaths? All of that at once, then pop out a clone and go back into the icebox?

That's how you go nuts. Probably after doing it once.

Edited by Adannor on Mar 17th 2024 at 3:45:47 PM

Kate is a hive mind, so for her it'll be like standing up after ten years to discover one of her legs has gone dead, pins and needles as blood circulation returns to it - but with a brain rather than a limb and memories rather than blood.

Definitely an unpleasant but likely very unique and hard to describe experience.

This might explain why her twin brother who has the same powers became a supervillain.

I still find the reason Kate has powers kind of hilarious: a bizarre family curse that doomed her father to go mad trying to raise too many children that had to compensate for Kate's mother dying in childbirth. Since her father never remarried and thus wasn't going to have any more kids, the curse went with giving Kate duplication powers instead.

Edited by M84 on Mar 17th 2024 at 10:58:08 PM

So, do we know what Kate's upper Limit on her Clones are?

Cause I'm thinking about the battle, and she kinda messed up. (Note: Spoilers for the comic)

We know she survives because she keeps her original self far away in a safe house to ensure the exact situation we saw never comes up, butit was a huge mistake to engage Komodo Dragon like that. Especially since it left Rex and Rae with their hands full fighting their own opponents, so they couldn't lend her help when she needed it. What she should have been doing was staying out of Dragon's range, but keeping him occupied, while sending clones to quickly assist Rae and Rex. Then they could have won their fights faster and helped her out, with them teaming up to take him down.

But this all depends on how many clones she could create. All I know is that literally all of them were trying to fight Komodo Dragon, even though she didn't have the power to actually hurt him. That battle was poorly strategized. Then again, it was three of the less powerful members against an entire organization, and they were forced to go in when they knew they were undermanned.

I don't know how comics Cecil handles things afterwards, but I hope his immediate thought is I need to make sure we always have other members in reserve in case something like this happens again.

Oh man its going to be funny when they bring in Kate's brother, cause he was already a gigantic prick in the comic but he'd definitely look even worse in the cartoon cause Rex very clearly had absolutely nothing to do with Kate's death so Paul is just irrationally blaming the sole survivor of a traumatizing event.

Plus there is a real joy seeing Mark actually back up Rex and stand by him against Kate and Immortal as tells them off for Paul being a piece of shit that prevented a robbery from being stop and almost murdered an innocent man.

Supers with duplication powers like this are rarely given a hard defined limit. It's usually just implied that there either is some limit and / or duplicates get weaker after a certain point.

During the battle Kate looked like she physically can't generate anymore clones so it appears she does have a hard limit.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 17th 2024 at 8:17:36 AM

It doesn't help that the duplication power is explicitly magical, being the result of a curse. Magic is all kinds of bullshit.

I think the suggestion of that scene is that Kate's body needs to be totally unobstructed to duplicate. Komodo had his hand around her neck and she couldn't do her thing, but the instant she got free - if only briefly - she popped off a duplicate.

That sounds about right. Komodo had her in his grip and was only able to make that last duplicate when he let up for a moment.

Of course, Komodo promptly made that last act irrelevant.

So wait. Are we not hiding the fact that the original Kate is still alive here?

If it's anything like the comic, the next episode will very briefly bait viewers out that she's really dead only to have her show up at Rae's funeral or something. The way she survives isn't that hard of a trick to guess, I imagine there are a lot of show onlies who are wondering if Kate pulls something like it.

I mean, I was that. But given the thread seems perfectly willing to post comic spoilers without sharing that's what's behind the spoiler text means obviously I know now, and I reckon that's the same of anyone who's just, you know. Trying to discuss the show that they've watched and is what this thread is for.

Okay, just got an amazon trial to see the second season and watched episode 2 and they really seemed to have messed up the strategy on both sides of the fight there.

They sent all their flying bricks up the space station where, sure they can't be taken over by the sequids but their offensive options are pretty much punch each of these millions of creatures to bits one at a time. Only Eve and Robot seem of real consequence to that fight and The Immortal didn't want to take either of them. (I'm not impressed with him tbh)

Meanwhile this leaves the fun team with quirky powers trying to fight super strong people in a confined space. No wonder it doesn't end well and yeah Kate should be holding one person clear and spamming clones. She doesn't seem to create them as quick and fast as she might even when not constricted.

And... the Guardians in those flashback had a huge roster. Did that guy kill most of the reserve or something? Because it feels like Cecil had time to call in more bodies, did he not because the LL supposed to be a joke?

eta: More Fridge Logic what was the need for someone to actually board the ship? Does Cecil not have space missiles in his massive arsenal?

eta2: Did Marks discussions about the Thraxia also include his "mission" on Earth? Because that should be inspiring a dire need for brown pants at the GDI.

Edited by dcutter2 on Mar 19th 2024 at 10:27:33 AM

To be fair, the people that stayed behind probably wouldn't have been too helpful against the sequids either aside from maybe Rex.

Does that one guy from the LL have a name? Cuz he was the real MVP. He annihilated everyone.

Edited by GNinja on Mar 19th 2024 at 11:19:11 AM