The Stargate Franchise

I personally would have liked to have seen more of the Reetu(sp).

Someday I'll get back to Atlantis, I just need to build up my tolerance to unironic chosen one military maverick crap.

So, this is a little late, but Amazon, who now owns the rights to Stargate, is looking to do a new Stargate series.

https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/stargate-sg-1-revival-less-likely-amazon-takes-pitches

So, what would people want to see? Should it be a soft reboot, or a hard reboot? Should it continue the old stories, or tell a brand new one?

As much as I love SG 1, I think a reboot would do better? We've sort of run out of plausible villains. No one liked the Lucian Alliance and I dont know how you make villains who won't look like chumps compared to the Ori.

I'd love however to see a new take on the Goa'ulds. They were always SG 1's best villains and I think they have the most potential for exploration.

Also wasn't Roland Emmerich making sequels to his own movie? What happened to that.

Edited by Ghilz on Apr 22nd 2023 at 2:45:41 AM

I'm inclined to agree, Stargate SG-1 is a case of a series were I'm honestly satified with everything we did get and would not be upset with getting to see a new take on the franchise.

As long as it is actually good and manages to capture the charm that made me love SG-1 of course. I have heard pretty good things about The Expanse, so the supposed creative team is at least not a turn off so far.

SG-1 did have a certain charm to it that I think will be hard to replicate. I do wonder if it would follow the original movie (that seems to be a fad now) or start straight from scratch.

We have a Stargate thread ? Interesting. On topic of SGU. I loved it, but that was a long time ago, so perhaps I would think differently if I watched it now. Also, the primary reason I liked it was the premise rather than execution. I like a story where protagonist(s) are nomadic.

I never saw SGU because I went to uni and didn't have access to the channel it was on and did feel strongly enough to acquire on say DVD afterwards.

The advertising and concept definitely had strong over tones of 'we cancelled Atlantis for this grimdark redo' and 'we want to be BSG' though.

The Furlings?

LOL

"Stargate SG-1: The Movie: Return of the Furlings"

They make sense but the space mob selling addictive corn is such a step down from like... even Zipacna in his hawaiian shirt and straw hat costume.

Like conceptually a hostile faction that co-ops the Goa'uld's stuff and trades off the pageantry for ruthlessness makes sense and seems interesting. But the Lucian Alliance werent that. They were a poor execution and also raised a ton of questions.

Edited by Ghilz on Apr 25th 2023 at 12:56:42 PM

The Lucian Alliance sucked. Okay, maybe it would be better to phrase it as, they weren't good villains. At best they were generic, uninteresting bad guys. Even Stargate Universe made them a big part of the narrative. They kept insisting that the Lucian Alliance were a huge threat that could potentially destroy earth, and I just didn't buy it.

Anyway, its kind of funny how none of the Stargate series really had a proper conclusion. Universe was cancelled after two seasons, and left many things unresolved. Atlantis was cancelled without resolving the Wraith story, and even set up the Wraith attacking earth. SG-1 came the closest to having a conclusion. There were two movies that wrapped up some of the stories. But they were planning to do a third film where the Stargate program would finally be revealed to the general public (which honestly should have already happened by that point).

The Stargate cartoon didn't get an ending either, but we don't need to talk about that.

Edited by JunkAction on Apr 25th 2023 at 9:01:07 AM

You could argue SG 1 had several conclusions. They just kept continuing the show after them! Moebius was literally meant to be the Grand Finale.

Edited by Ghilz on Apr 26th 2023 at 5:36:15 AM

IIRC pretty much every finale from season 5 to 8 was written as if it might be the final episode of the series. (some with the expectation of a movie to really wrap it up) for season 9 and 10 they didn't and it ended up biting them for s10.

Edited by dcutter2 on Apr 26th 2023 at 1:41:54 PM

Most of them were written as hooks to draw out future seasons that hadnt be signed on yet.

It's why you get season finale that are cliffhangers or introduce new villains. Which is why you get season 6's Revelations which features Anubis' on screen appearance. Or Lost City in season 7 which sees Anubis destroyed but hints that Atlantis is out there and O Neil is a meat popsicle.

Moebius was written as a grand finale. Threads, the previous episode, saw the end of the replicators, anubis and the system lords. So Moebius is a time travel rump showing us how far our characters have come, ties with the movie by featuring a Ra cameo.

And then Season 9 got signed.

Edited by Ghilz on Apr 26th 2023 at 6:24:18 AM

The way I heard it was they were written as possible ends to SG-1 with the franchise continuing with other ways.

They do introduce Anubis is S5 but also close the door on the tollan and the tok'ra as well.

Like S6 was literally called 'Full Circle' they go back to Abydos. They thought the Atlantis thread would be picked up in a movie. Likewise Lost City thought it's cliffhangers would be resolved in the Atlantis series instead. (and with the sgc moving to Antarctica) but then they decided to do Sg-1 and Atlantis as the same time so retooled Atlantis to be in a new galaxy etc.

Revelations at least was done knowing the show was moving off Showtimes

Edited by Ghilz on Apr 26th 2023 at 6:34:47 AM

Well that confirms at lot of season 5 was written on the assumption that it was the last season but they knew in time for writing that it was not. That's cool.

Showtime, IIRC, gave them a pair of two season orders and a one season order, while Sci-fi (as the name was at the time) wouldn’t tell them if the show was being continued or not until after the finale aired, consistently. And then they did the same thing with Atlantis and Universe.

SG-1 and Atlantis were also earlier victims of Sy Fy’s five season limit. Like, seriously, look into it. Sy Fy has never run a show longer than five seasons. SG-1 stands out because it got the full five seasons on Sy Fy after being transferred over, which is very rare, but the network consistently cuts shows off after five seasons no matter what. But they refuse to actually verbally state that to anyone with the result of a lot of showrunners getting blindsided when Sy Fy keeps implying they should assume they could get a sixth season.

As long as it's better than Universe. SG-1 and Atlantis were both the best series to me, even if they both had to rush to be finished.

I am also going to note that Universe and Stargate Extinction (the third movie) didn't get cancelled due to any SyFy shenaniganry. Or at least, the channel didn't have time to really engage in it. They got cancelled because MGM went bankrupt and they were footing most of the bill.

Regarding the potential new series with a new creative team...

I wonder how they might handle the loose ends of the old shows, if its in the same continuity. Will they address what happened to the Wraith invasion of earth? What about Destiny? Will they say what happened after the crew (spoilers for an old show) woke up from stasis? Or will they pull an Alien 3 and reveal that most of them didn't wake up, and just died in stasis?

I could see them just having a throwaway line about "losing contact" with Destiny, then there's always an opening to go back and revisit if they wanted to.