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MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#38726: May 13th 2024 at 5:31:39 AM

I'm with the roofer from Clerks. If you sign up to build the planet destroyer Mk. II for the same guys who have already shown they're willing to blow up a planet, you are fully complicit.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#38727: May 13th 2024 at 5:36:22 AM

At the very least, you have to know that a planet destroying battle station that already blew up one world is going to be a target for the people who don't want their worlds blown up.

Just like how there are risks to fixing the roof of a dangerous criminal with a lot of enemies, there are risks to working on the Death Star.

Edited by M84 on May 13th 2024 at 8:37:14 PM

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RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#38728: May 13th 2024 at 5:41:07 AM

[up][up] What about the slaves and prisoners on the Death Star?

Luke had to blow them up too.

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#38729: May 13th 2024 at 5:46:15 AM

Acceptable losses…?

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MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#38730: May 13th 2024 at 5:47:02 AM

[up] Definitely bad, though for that I'd say most of the culpability goes to the empire for filling a warship with slaves and prisoners.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#38731: May 13th 2024 at 5:57:38 AM

In Legends it was even worse. The slaves and prisoners used to build the first Death Star were its first victims too. The prison population of Despayre was used to build it, but the planet's atmosphere was fucked in the aftermath. Since the world and its prisoners no longer had any use, Despayre became the first live fire test of the Death Star.

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RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#38732: May 13th 2024 at 6:04:48 AM

[up][up] Oh yeah, like I said, there's a difference between blowing up Alderaan, a peaceful planet, and blowing up the Death Star which is a planet destroyer. So even if Luke had to blow up some slaves and prisoners, it's still an overall morally good thing to blow up the Death Star even if you have to take some innocent lives.

At least we can all agree the Empire blowing up Leia's annoying cousin is good.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#38733: May 13th 2024 at 6:53:16 AM

Didn't Andor reveal that the Death Star was built by prisoners on a colony planet who had no idea they were doing it?

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EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#38734: May 13th 2024 at 7:35:34 AM

The Andor prison was making specifically the millions of macrotransistors for the superlaser dish. Legends said it was heavily constructed by Wookiee slaves. It's a big project, a lot of different groups worked on it.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#38735: May 13th 2024 at 7:44:01 AM

Legends also stated that the prison population on Despayre was also conscripted to do the heavy lifting. A lot of blood went into actually building the Death Star. And the prisoners, along with the planet itself, got the You Have Outlived Your Usefulness treatment.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#38736: May 13th 2024 at 9:31:16 AM

I think the Death Star, being such a huge project done largely in secret, had its individual parts built by a ton of different prisons or contractors or other sources, all completely separate and none of them aware of the bigger picture of what they were contributing to.

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#38737: May 13th 2024 at 9:43:00 AM

Oh definitely. Andor had it as a big end-of-season twist that the prisoners at Narkina 5 were building parts for the Death Star.

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#38738: May 13th 2024 at 9:45:34 AM

plus I imagine droids did a decent chunk of the job too

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Patar136 Hero of the Winds from A Nice House on Outset Island Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
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#38739: May 13th 2024 at 9:50:15 AM

Also Geonosians before that got sort of retconned.

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#38741: May 13th 2024 at 10:40:08 AM

Yeah, "retconning" is a way to put it XD

Patar136 Hero of the Winds from A Nice House on Outset Island Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
Hero of the Winds
#38742: May 13th 2024 at 11:36:39 AM

Empire: Join the construction project for our orbital observation platform. Aliens get reduced costs…. And all that implies.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#38743: May 13th 2024 at 11:51:39 AM

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Edited by KnownUnknown on May 13th 2024 at 11:51:44 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#38744: May 13th 2024 at 11:56:50 AM

I just find it funny how, after 20 years of endless costs and labour, the damn thing got destroyed right after it's first deployment.

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RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#38745: May 13th 2024 at 11:58:07 AM

Palpatine: WE DIDN"T EVEN FULLY PAY IT OFF. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO TO MY CREDIT!?

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#38746: May 13th 2024 at 11:59:13 AM

The Iron bank is not amused-wrong show sorry!

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EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#38747: May 13th 2024 at 12:04:26 PM

Rogue One showed that mere rumors of the thing nearly crushed Rebel support out of fear it would be turned on them. If they weren't proactive and got a foothold on getting the plans it would have done exactly what it was intended to do.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#38748: May 13th 2024 at 12:05:38 PM

I just find it funny how, after 20 years of endless costs and labour, the damn thing got destroyed right after it's first deployment.

Imagine being in charge of the Empire's accounting.

Now imagine being that same schmuck in charge of the accounting, when the orders come in to start getting the budget together for a second one.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#38749: May 13th 2024 at 12:14:11 PM

[up]And a larger one, too.

Edited by Forenperser on May 13th 2024 at 9:14:18 PM

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king15 Having Faun from not certain Since: Mar, 2024
Having Faun
#38750: May 13th 2024 at 12:15:36 PM

[up][up]To be fair, seems more like an issue of time than resources. The Empire can just go up to a resource-rich planet and take all of its resources, it's not like they'll have moral issues with doing so or there'll be laws in place to stop it. And if the locals disagree, then I'm sure it'll turn out all of them were rebel terrorists who deserved to be shot.

Edited by king15 on May 13th 2024 at 7:15:42 PM


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