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Archsage MAGIC MISSILE SWEEP from My House Since: Apr, 2022 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
MAGIC MISSILE SWEEP
#38626: Mar 8th 2024 at 7:20:33 PM

Honestly I never really do builds different from what the game intended for the characters. Unless you count turning Annette into a Gremory when she has no Faith bonus.

Some call it stalking, I say walking just extremely close behind
ShirowShirow Since: Nov, 2009
#38627: Mar 8th 2024 at 9:40:11 PM

I tried messing around with builds in Awakening but it lead to stuff like Dark Knight Severa being a Master of None. Ultimately I just stick with the default paths nowadays.

[up][up] Thiccedes sounds like some random greek hero who died of hubris.

Edited by ShirowShirow on Mar 8th 2024 at 5:41:16 PM

CaellachTigerEye Since: May, 2010
#38628: Mar 8th 2024 at 11:45:13 PM

[up] By which you mean, “almost all of them”. Correct?wink[lol]

KuroiTsubasaTenshi Streamer from Twitch Since: May, 2011
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#38629: Mar 9th 2024 at 3:53:36 AM

Trying to do hybrid classes that use both weapon types usually backfires pretty hard for most characters. Characters who aren't Robin('s kids) usually don't have the dual offenses privileges to make it work that way. Most characters want builds that play to them either skewing all physical or all magic. And this isn't just limited to Awakening either—tomes are just miles ahead of any of the potential sidearms Engage's Mage Knight can run that it's almost never optimal to bring a physical weapon (maybe a great weapon for specific Emblems' Engage attacks, but even then...).

Thiccedes is totally built like a Greek hero too. She more or less 1v20ed the right side of the stage while the rest of the team tried to get the other infinite spawn points under control. And then Edelgard was doing a whopping 2x2 after converting to her higher-damage weapon.

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Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#38630: Mar 9th 2024 at 5:10:02 AM

I do not appreciate the game locking me into that trip with Edelgard before I had finished making my rounds exploring.

Edited by Mullon on Mar 9th 2024 at 9:24:53 AM

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
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#38631: Mar 9th 2024 at 5:47:14 AM

[up] Ah, right, that's a thing. Sacrifice your chance to play CF or sacrifice the rest of your free day. 'course, if you know this, you can just save that conversation for the very end.

Koi seji to / mitarashigawa ni / seshi misogi / kami wa ukezu zo / nari ni kerashi mo (KKS #501)
Archsage MAGIC MISSILE SWEEP from My House Since: Apr, 2022 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
MAGIC MISSILE SWEEP
#38632: Mar 9th 2024 at 5:52:58 AM

[up][up][up] well Magic is almost always better than weapon attacks in Fire Emblem since they have range and ignore Defense which enemies tend to have more of than Resistance. Although Combat Arts in 3 Houses kinda leveled the playing field... or it would have were it not for the fact that magic regains all lost durability at the end of the battle so its much cheaper to invest in.

Some call it stalking, I say walking just extremely close behind
mariovsonic999 Lo L Dating Sim is a real thing. Since: Feb, 2012
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#38633: Mar 9th 2024 at 9:03:31 AM

I think Mage Knights are better at using Levin swords than tomes, since their class skill corresponds to their damage type, not their weapon type, and the existence of Sword Power. There is no way to increase magic damage for tomes without Magic+ skills, and they are extremely expensive.

Edited by mariovsonic999 on Mar 9th 2024 at 9:04:16 AM

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Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#38634: Mar 9th 2024 at 11:27:21 AM

I said I would kill Edelgard, God I hate binary moral choices in video games.

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
ShirowShirow Since: Nov, 2009
#38635: Mar 9th 2024 at 11:30:34 AM

Welcome to the most boring route in the game! [lol]

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#38636: Mar 9th 2024 at 11:31:10 AM

Don't believe in whatever she's doing? Trust the shifty pope more?

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#38637: Mar 9th 2024 at 11:40:48 AM

Shifty pope doesn't associate with lady who stabbed my father in the back, or other guy who replaced a person, or kidnap green hair sheltered girl, and possibly doesn't turn people into crest monsters for personal gain.

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
ShirowShirow Since: Nov, 2009
#38638: Mar 9th 2024 at 11:46:02 AM

Yeah she didn't kill your father, she killed your mother. [lol]

Ah well. Have fun.

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#38639: Mar 9th 2024 at 11:59:35 AM

Shifty pope doesn't associate with lady who stabbed my father in the back, or other guy who replaced a person, or kidnap green hair sheltered girl, and possibly doesn't turn people into crest monsters for personal gain.

Oh, the company that Edelgard keep will end up looking much worse later on.

I’ve actually been playing Silver Snow again to celebrate the Year of the Dragon. It’s one of several dragon-related games I’m playing to celebrate this year.

My zodiac sign isn’t the dragon, but it’s still one of the coolest zodiac animals, and it has the most badass-sounding “Year of the…” titles.

Mizerous Takat Empress from Outworld Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Takat Empress
#38641: Mar 9th 2024 at 12:16:53 PM

Where's the evil mole people route with Moleman fighting the Fantastic Four?

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KuroiTsubasaTenshi Streamer from Twitch Since: May, 2011
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#38642: Mar 9th 2024 at 12:35:16 PM

Yeah, that Edelgard conversation is kinda stupid. It should really have warned you that it was going to eat the rest of your weekend (if it's gonna warn you a about a route change, no sense holding back there).

I think Mage Knights are better at using Levin swords than tomes, since their class skill corresponds to their damage type, not their weapon type, and the existence of Sword Power. There is no way to increase magic damage for tomes without Magic+ skills, and they are extremely expensive.

No way is Levin better than tomes. It starts 3 Mt down from Bolg. To overtake Bolg, it requires at least Sword Power 2, which costs a whopping 2000 SP, and it basically going to require giving up Canter or significant Well/DLC manual abuse (barf). And it only gets more expensive from there. Meanwhile, Bolg can just grab Spd+3 and keep Canter with vanilla SP. It might be a bit most costly to forge (but not that costly: the stupid-high cost goes to, for some reason, Elfire), but it's just generally more cost-efficient overall. I could see an argument for Levin almost being comparable—assuming unbridled use of DLC—but no way is it better. But if we're going the unbridled DLC route, the game is already won before it began.

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#38643: Mar 9th 2024 at 12:44:53 PM

[up][up]I know it's likely a joke, but I'm glad we don't have that. A pro-imperial conquest route from a Japanese developer already makes me feel iffy given the country's less-than-pleasant history with imperialism; I wouldn't feel comfortable with a pro-Unit 731 route.


I mentioned earlier I was playing a couple dragon-themed games to celebrate the Year of the Dragon, and I realized I should probably try this out:

Since Dragon's Dogma II is coming out this month, I'm thinking of replaying the first game, this time doing my best to style the Arisen after Female Byleth as best as I can with its rather limited-feeling character creator. I'll see if I can find any Pawns based on the three House leaders.

Knowing me though, I'll probably be spending quite some time in Bitterblack Isle, so I'm expecting to see Fodlan's Lousy Three getting their asses thrown around by the Isle's various horrors. Can't wait to see which idiot decides to piss off the Condemned Gorecyclops in that playthrough. It'll probably be Claude.

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#38644: Mar 9th 2024 at 4:37:31 PM

Hopes also already had a bonus map them that was both super tedious, and made them look extra bad. I don't think we could possibly get anything interesting out of a route made entirely of stuff like that.

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#38645: Mar 9th 2024 at 5:47:35 PM

Well is not DLC, and you get a bunch of items from bonuses that came with patches, not DLC, so if you are playing with no DLC in mind, then you can make the bonuses an exception.

Edited by mariovsonic999 on Mar 9th 2024 at 5:48:24 AM

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Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#38646: Mar 9th 2024 at 5:56:04 PM

I'm disappointed everyone looks so clean and put together and not crazy after the time skip.

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
Archsage MAGIC MISSILE SWEEP from My House Since: Apr, 2022 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
MAGIC MISSILE SWEEP
#38647: Mar 9th 2024 at 6:12:12 PM

Well no true JRPG character would go to war before visiting their local salon

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Blackress Since: Dec, 2019
#38648: Mar 9th 2024 at 6:35:44 PM

BlazingKnight did a video about which of the four routes provides the best overall experience (as far content, difficulty, character and story goes) from a mostly objetive angle when playing the game on Hard.

It's a bit meaty length-wise, but the tl;dw version should go like this:

    Best to worst Three Houses experience per route (Spoilers for the video and Three Houses) 
  • 1. Azure Moon. Story's pretty good in a vacuum, you get the most balanced cast, many unique maps, the most amount of characters and available resources, and the difficulty's pretty balanced all around. It's not perfect by any means - not every student is equally important, by part 2 it becomes Dimitri's show, and it suffers glaring tunnel-vision issues - , but as a standalone package, it's the best the game has to offer.
  • 2. Crimson Flower. Story's good and offers an unique perspective present nowhere else and its worldbuilding is competent, but doesn't address a glaring loose end in a satisfying manner. You get one of the best lords and workable units to play around, the most amount of unique maps, and you gotta deal with stuff no other route throws at you. Content's on the lower side but what you get and see is pretty unique.
  • 3. Verdant Wind. Story's pretty chill and the House's character interactions are on point, and while it's the only one that provides the answers to many of the narrative's questions, it makes the Alliance and Claude feel disconnected from the story's main conflict. You get a solid amount of resources and chapters, but with the caveat the route lacks identity as far maps go (only 1 unique one), and even the ones you get to play are on the straightforward side compared to AM and CF.
  • 4. Silver Snow. Story's concept is pretty good but fails to live up to its potential, even if the Rhea stuff is pretty good if somewhat rushed. Also suffers from a map identity crisis and in spite of being straightforward in terms of challenge, its only unique map is nightmarishly hard for all the wrong reasons. In spite of having more content in quantity than CF, it falls short in when it comes exclusives compared to both it and AM and VW. And while the cast is workable, the character interactions are at its weakest here.

While I don't agree with the ranking given to each character in term of how interesting they are (which doesn't really play that much of a role in the essay anyways), I overall agree with the rankings from an objective perspective.

Edited by Blackress on Mar 10th 2024 at 9:03:23 AM

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#38649: Mar 9th 2024 at 7:40:20 PM

[up]x4 Well is free DLC, which is still DLC. Same with all that free extra crap. Well is also so insanely unbalanced that I was able to make endgame-ready builds in Chapter 7. LTCers were also able to rig up something like 4-5x as many rare movement staff drops as you're supposed to have at any given point in the game. At that point, who even cares what you're even using? You just win.

[up]x3 Well, there is someone who will look crazy. But he's the exception, not the rule.

[up] Hmmm, I can mostly agree with that story order, since it's pretty iterative on releasing information. Silver Snow right after Verdant Wind (or vice versa) is terrible, though. I did it that way and revisiting the same story, but worse, left me quite bored before Endgame (Seteth is so much worse than Claude there—especially because he openly admits to withholding information with the flimsy reasoning that he thinks Rhea should reveal it).

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#38650: Mar 9th 2024 at 10:24:30 PM

That's one of the reasons Silver Snow being the "base" route never stops being weird to me.

VW has you search for Rhea because she, as the Archbishop, knows stuff almost nobody else knows, and Claude is willing to ask her personally. Makes sense.

SS feels like you're searching for Rhea because she is (sorta) your kin, and Seteth could've explained to you what's going on because Rhea told him what is up with Byleth. On-screen.

And yes, the point is that there's more to that story and Seteth doesn't know the details, but that usually doesn't stop characters from giving information.

Koi seji to / mitarashigawa ni / seshi misogi / kami wa ukezu zo / nari ni kerashi mo (KKS #501)

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