Marvel TV Series

That's pure speculation and also wrong.

I don't know about wrong. Especially since at least the Marvel Studios tv shows actually are connected to the MCU, unlike the Marvel Television shows.

Plus the timing of the Ghost Rider show being axed after Feige expressed wanting to use a Ghost Rider in the MCU is suspect.

Both Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter are Marvel TV and they are both well connected to the MCU movies. (In fact, every live-action Marvel TV show takes place within the MCU, even if it has no reference to the movies.)

The whole "Kevin Feige wants to use Ghost Rider in a movie" is another rumor that might not be true.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 27th 2019 at 6:21:32 AM

After the Hulu show got axed, it seems pretty credible.

No they aren't, neither of those shows have ever really been referenced in the films.

I don't think you are getting my point. Feige and Marvel Studios pretty much don't acknowledge that the Marvel Television shows exist, because it's not their stuff.

The only ones that matter ate the ones that are made by Marvel Studios, since they actually do continue plots from the MCU. It actually feels connected, not superficially like Loeb's shows.

Edited by Cortez on Sep 27th 2019 at 9:48:41 AM

No, it still doesn't.

Jarvis appearing in Endgame disagrees with you.

In any case, it doesn't matter if the movies don't reference the shows; the shows reference the movies and are therefore a part of the same MCU.

Wow, this is super condescending towards everyone who likes the Marvel TV shows. And nope, they all matter.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 27th 2019 at 7:00:34 AM

By the way, all this speculation comes from one Variety article. Which had this to say:

So the source is "one TV lit agent" and it's about the fact that the Marvel Studios shows have bigger budgets and access to more characters, rather than Feige "taking away" anything from Marvel TV.

And then a confirmation that there are a variety of live-action projects still in development with Marvel TV.

So I think I can definitely say this rumor is just that: a rumor with no basis.

Yeah, for those who liked the Netflix MCU content miles above the rest of the MCU, it's a big deal. And the Netflix MCU shows work despite not crossing over with or being connected to the movies.

The one thing I'd be worried with when I read the wording of these clickbait articles is that when referring to new Marvel Studios shows as "high quality", I get the feeling they really mean "a lot of shiny CGI and special effects".

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And yet Loeb liked telling us the lie that they were connected, even though it's now clear Feige never considered it to be "all connected".

As for the Marvel Studios shows do have a much higher budget, that's just a fact. So "higher quality" isn't an incorrect statement.

It does, because it shows that Marvel Studios doesn't consider the shows made by Marvel Television to be part of the MCU, even if Loeb likes to claim it is.

There are a lot of things that contradict that. Like time travel in Ao S being different to how time travel is explained in Endgame.

Edited by Cortez on Sep 28th 2019 at 6:52:32 AM

Budget =/= quality. I consider Agents of SHIELD and Daredevil to have extremely high quality, but they have relatively low budgets.

You have no idea what Kevin Feige thinks or considered to be connected.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 28th 2019 at 3:50:08 AM

We do though, especially since Marvel Television is still under the control of Perlmutter, who Marvel Studios doesn't answer to anymore.

Like once Feige didn't have to answer to Perlmutter, he dropped the Inhumans film. Then Marvel TV picked it up and turned it into a series.

And bigger budget does help create a better product. We already see with the animated What If show, we looks better than Marvel TV's animated shows like Ultimate Spider-Man and Avengers Assemble.

And people seem far more hyped about the Disney+ shows at the moment than the Hulu stuff.

And you can't deny Ghost Rider getting axed before it was released isn't a good sign.

Edited by Cortez on Sep 28th 2019 at 7:25:08 AM

We don't, though. Unless Feige comes right out and says something, you can't know what he's thinking or feeling.

What does this have to do with anything? Inhumans was forced on Feige by Perlmutter, so of course he dropped it. But that has nothing to do with any of the other shows that Marvel TV has done and how Feige feels about them. Inhumans was a one-off that had more to do with Perlmutter than it had to do with creating a connected universe (it wasn't even connected to the other shows — it had zero references to the other movies or shows).

1. The What If? show hasn't even come out yet, so you can't compare it to anything. It also uses a completely different animation company, which is why it looks different — most of the budget, I believe, is going to the voice actors. And yet I've heard that, from what little animation we've seen of it, people complain that it looks cheap.
2. Once again, bigger budget =/= quality. One of the best Marvel shows of the past decade was Legion and that look beautiful. It was, again, produced by Marvel TV and, from all accounts, didn't really have that high of a budget. Like Agents of SHIELD and Daredevil, however, it used its budget as best it could and produced high quality television with it.

Because it's new and shiny. Everyone always gets hyped about a lot of new stuff, as opposed to stuff that was already announced months ago.

I can deny that it happened due to Feige wanting to use the character. If that was true, they probably would have just stated it. But they didn't — it was "creative differences," probably between the writers and producers and Hulu.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 28th 2019 at 4:21:53 AM

And to be clear, i love the Netflix shows and i'm sad they got canceled. But i always felt they should have been set in their own separate universe.

There were a lot of characters that they couldn't use because they were trying to make it seem like they were part of the MCU.

I honestly feel like it would have benefited them more if they had gone all in on being a separate continuity.

It has worked wonders for the DC tv shows, even having big crossover events that they wouldn't have if they had tried to be linked to the DC cinematic universe.

That's not what i've seen, most people seem far more excited for that then any other recent or upcoming Marvel animated show.

People are excited about Captain Carter.

Edited by Cortez on Sep 29th 2019 at 5:12:58 AM

They are a part of the MCU.

DC's Arrowverse works as well as it does because it has an "throw everything at the wall" approach, but that doesn't work for everything. The Marvel Netflix shows were smaller, more personal and that's why they worked (or a majority of them worked — Iron Fist Season 1 is still the outlier and The Defenders only half-worked — IF needed more actual magical martial arts and Defenders needed a better threat than the Hand).

Edited by alliterator on Sep 28th 2019 at 5:26:36 AM

Shield is pretty clearly no longer part of the MCU, the total dodge around The Snap makes that clear, Agent Carter is the only show explicitly connected (with the Endgame appearance), with the rest being probably connected.

I wish that Shield was part of the MCU, but the last season made it clear that it’s not.

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Part of the MCU or not is academic, it's pretty clear that the current and past series are second-class to the films. They can only be influenced by the films, not vice versa.

It has nothing to do with quality, I love most of the series, but acknowledging that fact has nothing to do with hating on it.

All that will presumably change with the Disney + stuff.

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Exactly! It was only ever one way.

The films also never acknowledged that Coulson came back, he was still dead as far as the films were concerned.

Time Travel in Agents of Shield isn't like how it was explained in Endgame. Though to be fair, that's mainly because their time travel plot came first and they obviously couldn't know how it would be done in Endgame.

Edited by Cortez on Sep 29th 2019 at 5:19:32 AM

Again, it doesn't matter if the connection is one way or not, there is still a connection. Do you think Feige would allow ANY cameos in AOS if he didn't think it was part of the MCU, especially after he nixed a Spider-Man cameo in Venom?

Coulson did appear in Captain Marvel, after all.

Speaking of time travel, do you think "the time shenanigans in season 5 resulted in the team returning to a functionally-identical-at-the-time universe instead of the actual MCU, where the Avengers stopped Thanos and that's why there's no Snap references, but the agents haven't properly been in the MCU since season 4" is a plausible theory?

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That was set in the past and Coulson showed up in the films first anyway. All of the films set in the present treat him as if he was still dead.

Anyway, saw this article saying Grey Hulk/Joe Fixit might show up in the She-Hulk show.

Also, because of how Endgame explained time travel, that bad future will always exist.

Edited by Cortez on Oct 5th 2019 at 8:27:04 AM

Maybe. One of the fun things about time travel is that it's possible to have time travel from different sources work with different rules, as long as those sources are clearly and suitably differentiated.

I like to say it's exactly like writing magic. Magic A must equal Magic A, so if you want to introduce something different you have to distinctly introduce Magic B instead.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 3rd 2019 at 8:52:39 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

We Got This Covered is not a good source of information. Most of their articles are rumors reported as facts or stuff that they just plain made up.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 3rd 2019 at 9:52:26 AM

They're also the ones behind the completely false rumor that Apple is buying Sony and giving Spidey film rights to Disney, for example. And tons of others over the last few weeks.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 3rd 2019 at 11:18:36 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

That did not come from WGTC, it came from Yahoo Finance. To be more specifically, from a financial and tech analyst who has been saying for a while that Apple will buy a studio once they get serious about streaming - which they're now. Sony is a option, but not the only one, so there's nothing definitive.

I just posted the article, never said it was true. Besides, don't forget that the She-Hulk and Ms.Marvel TV shows were leaked months ago.

True, but issue is that it wasn't differentiated.

Edited by Cortez on Oct 4th 2019 at 5:02:39 AM