Catalan Referendum

And the defendants can appeal to higher courts outside of Spain if they get convicted and lose their initial appeals.

Russian network used Venezuelan accounts to deepen Catalan crisis

FFS, can anyone do anything about the FSB and their siblings? I am not expecting exploding uranium equipment, but something, anything would be nice.

edited 12th Nov '17 9:42:51 PM by ViperMagnum357

Separatists squabble as ‘healing’ election leaves Catalonia even more divided

So far it's pretty much been the complete shitshow everyone knew it would become.

Been a raid lately by National Police in Catalonia to secure paintings that were illegally purchased in the 80s. Separatists are accusing Madrid of stealing cultural heritage.

Link please?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42307201

This happened a day ago or so.

The regional elections took place today, and the votes are being currently. From what I can gather: predictions at the moment are generally inconclusive, apart from three things:

• Separatist parties lead with half of votes counted;
• Ciudadanos (led in the region by Inés Arrimadas, an Andalusian lawyer who has been addressing/speaking to the autonomous parliament in Catalan) are going to gather plenty of votes;
• As a result, PP are gonna take one heck of a beating. Some of the more daring predictions even point to PP not getting enough votes to form a parliamentary group by themselves (which means they would be put in a mixed group with other minor parties). Rajoy's moves led to PP paying a heavy price, if this confirms.

At the end of the day, it's all about the major pro-independence parties and Ciudadamos figuring out how many seats they'll get. One thing is for sure, a coalition will always be on the cards (particularly amongst the former).

edited 21st Dec '17 1:49:17 PM by Quag15

Going to call for another election then, huh? Or insist that because the single largest party is pro unionist, more separatist seats are meaningless? Which isn't how parliamentary bodies work, but there you go.

Election results seem to be pretty finalised. I just wish I could remember which ones are separatist parties. I think it adds up to 70 seats?

edited 21st Dec '17 2:50:53 PM by RainehDaze

Jx C, ERC and CUP are independentist, Cat Si Que Est Pot are pro-Referendum, anti-independence, and PPSOEC's are the shit that clogs Spain's arteries.

Thank you, that last bit was very accurate.

Separatist parties are: JUNT Sx CAT, ERC and CUP. All three amount to 70 seats, indeed.

For reference, absolute majority is 68 seats.

And the popular vote?

Independence-supporting: 21.65+21.39+4.45. Against independence: 25.37+13.88+4.24.

47.49 against 43.49. If you discount the party that AFAIK hasn't taken a stand one way or the other, ~52.2% against 47.8%, with ~82% turnout.

That's more support for independence? I'm reading this right?

"Sigh"

This is not going to end well, right?

edited 22nd Dec '17 8:51:26 AM by raziel365

Of those that have made a vote that expresses an opinion, there is a majority in favour of independence or Catalonian nationalism in some form. As a majority of voters total, this isn't the case—but it goes the other way, in that a majority hasn't made a vote that would strongly favour remaining part of Spain.

Either way, the largest individual party might be pro-Spain, but both the vote counts and the seats reflect a stronger independence sentiment.

And this is record turnout.

The PP being unable or unwilling to negotiate is to blame. Since 2010.

Well, what now?

Independentists have a slight majority either way.

Their mandate is weak, but real.

What comes next?

Wait for a new president, arrest them if they actually follow through on anything that they were elected for, call for a new round of elections?

Isn't that kinda undemocratic though? Shouldn't the EU care or something?

Spain would immediately accuse the EU of meddling in internal affairs. Besides, the EU is not inclined in favour of the separatists parties and has already stated that it's an internal matter.

So... it's bad when eastern European nations do undemocratic things, but (hypothetically) not when western European ones do it?

Double standards: what else is new?

South. They have their own issues.