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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#3301: Sep 15th 2017 at 12:46:17 AM

The "four cuts"-strategy as explained by Asia Times:

With ramped up fighting against several ethnic armed groups in Kachin and northern Shan States, the Tatmadaw has reactivated its notorious “four cuts” counter-insurgency strategy that aims to cut off food, funds, intelligence and popular support of armed resistance groups fighting for self-determination.

The strategy was masterminded by former dictator General Ne Win, leader of the 1962 military coup and a trainee of the once occupying fascist Japanese Army. The four cuts strategy was inspired by Japan’s “three all”, or sanko seisaku, (“kill all, burn all, destroy all) tactics as examined in Donald Seekins’ Burma and Japan since 1940: From Co-Prosperity to Quiet Dialogue.

The army has cited its four cuts strategy as key to successfully forcing the insurgent Karen National Union out of the Irrawaddy Division and the Communist Party of Burma out of the Yoma mountain range into the Shan State in the 1970s. The strategy has since featured prominently in Tatmadaw training manuals on how to counter rebellions.

In their experience it works and therefore have no reason to stop.

Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3302: Sep 15th 2017 at 5:37:17 AM

Bangladeshi troops are deployed for humanitarian operations to the Rohingya camps.

Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3303: Sep 17th 2017 at 4:59:25 AM

Tokyo is sending in a medical assistance team to Dhaka to assist the refugees. Meanwhile, there's news coming out that India/Nepal are tightening land borders to make sure no Rohinyas will go there. There's also more talks of getting rid of the Rohinyas more and more in India.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3305: Sep 17th 2017 at 6:25:37 PM

BBC didn't say who...


Anyway, news from Myanmar is that the Tatmadaw only target ARAS, not the refugee Rohingyas in trying to defend its position.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#3306: Sep 17th 2017 at 7:50:48 PM

The Tatmadaw can pound sand.

Here is to hoping the Bangladesh Army eventually gets involved if India won't.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#3307: Sep 17th 2017 at 9:26:18 PM

[up]

Well...they kind of did:

Bangladesh Plans to Build Huge Refugee Camp for Rohingya

With a record number of Rohingya fleeing over the border into Bangladesh, arrivals have been forced to line the streets of local villages, begging for food and water, and the current settlements have reached capacity.

The government said restrictions would be placed on any inhabitants of the planned settlement. Rohingya will also be barred from traveling by vehicle in Bangladesh, and only those registered as refugees will qualify for official assistance.

“The Rohingya refugees won’t be allowed to go outside the camp,” Asaduzzaman Khan, the Bangladeshi minister of home affairs, said on Sept. 10.

Bangladesh stopped designating new refugees in the early 1990s, forcing hundreds of thousands to fend for themselves by cobbling together bits of tarpaulin and bamboo to build makeshift homes. This year, the government even debated a plan to confine all Rohingya refugees on a flood-prone uninhabited island.

Aid groups have expressed worry about hunger and diseases like cholera spreading through the squalid settlements in Bangladesh. The lack of an adequate sewage system is also compounding fears about public hygiene. The Bangladesh Department of Public Health Engineering said it would construct 500 temporary latrines, while the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees has plans for 8,000 more.

Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3308: Sep 18th 2017 at 12:57:32 AM

Supreme Court of India is currently hearing the case against deporting Rohingyas living there.

heliosKAISER The Struggler from Shadow Moses Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Struggler
#3309: Sep 19th 2017 at 4:04:36 AM

I think I'm going to piss a lot people off but...

I don't think we should have open borders at all. And have vetting.as a necessity.

And I say that as an American.

Namely because the countries that they come from are third-world countries that clearly don't have the same standards we do.

I believe that everyone should be held to the same standard.

You gotta start somewhere.
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#3310: Sep 19th 2017 at 4:31:20 AM

You mean that everyone should have the same standard of living? Why, certainly!

As for open borders, please compare living standards in Alabama and in New York and explain to me whether you'd think New York having migration policies against the Deep South would be a net gain or a net loss.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
heliosKAISER The Struggler from Shadow Moses Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Struggler
#3311: Sep 19th 2017 at 4:41:55 AM

No, I meant the same level of self-responsibility our citizens are supposed to held by.

Forgive me, it's early for me.

You gotta start somewhere.
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#3312: Sep 19th 2017 at 5:04:58 AM

US Citizens are held to standards of self-responsibility?!

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3313: Sep 19th 2017 at 5:29:28 AM

Boy, this'll be a can o' worms.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41315924

Suu Kyi has started to speak up about the Rohingya crisis. Her press appearance is not received... that well.

Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#3314: Sep 19th 2017 at 6:40:31 AM

Ms Suu Kyi has previously said the narrative was being distorted by a "huge iceberg of misinformation" and said tensions were being fanned by fake news promoting the interests of terrorist.

How amusing... even she uses that meme.


Well, I guess that this means a bridge being burned between her and her formal international supporters/advocates of both her past release from house arrest and of human and political rights. I don't blame her, she's between a rock and a hard place, and there's no way out that won't involve someone getting hurt.

Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3315: Sep 19th 2017 at 4:54:48 PM

Analysts have called on Yangon to fast track citizenship for Rohingyas.

Suu Kyi mentioned that she agrees, by hardcore Buddhist factions would go berserk on this.

Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3316: Sep 20th 2017 at 1:32:06 AM

https://ph.news.yahoo.com/bangladesh-pm-says-myanmar-must-back-rohingya-054248747.html

Dhaka wants the Rohingya refugees to go back to Myanmar, if there only were no blatant signs of landmines.

Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3317: Sep 22nd 2017 at 4:01:27 AM

AFP reporters in Yangon are now reporting Myanmar police officers escorting ICRC workers were nearly attacked by ultranationalist crowds that warning shots were fired at them since they were now resorting to Molotovs after they found out that humanitarian aid is for Rohingyas.

Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3318: Sep 28th 2017 at 6:37:53 PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41312931

Debuking Suu Kyi's claims that the Rohingyas don't face prosecution.

Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3319: Oct 2nd 2017 at 9:00:54 PM

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20171003_05/

Myanmar's doing a charm offensive to diplomats to "show proof" that ARAS is responsible for most of the mess and not the Tatmadaw.

Myanmar and Bangladesh are working on agreements to guarantee the safe return of Rohingya refugees.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#3320: Oct 2nd 2017 at 9:06:46 PM

I wonder what safe return is a euphemism for in this case....

Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3321: Oct 12th 2017 at 6:49:07 PM

Who knows.

BBC announced that Suu Kyi is going to implement a mechanism to get Rohingya refugees back to Myanmar.

Meanwhile, ARAS released a video online that states that they're not going to get help from the like of ISIL or Al-Qaeda since they're fighting for Rohingya rights in Myanmar.

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#3322: Oct 12th 2017 at 7:21:51 PM

[up]Right-straight into the guns and blades of her army. Also, Oxford is looking to strip her of her freeman status, something that has never been done. S He deserves a lot worse than that.

Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#3323: Oct 12th 2017 at 7:34:43 PM

[up]Does she deserve worse? The woman spent many years confined within house arrest, is between a rock and a hard place (between the army and their role in the political system and the part of the support within her party that is a faction of hardline Buddhists who are anti-Rohyngia and against Muslims in general), and is treading a difficult fine line in order to not be arrested again or to fall from political grace within her country.

Sad as it is (since politics is a cruel game that usually doesn't run on idealism, or human-rights based choices, or consistent morality - religious or non-religious), she has to choose between political and personal survival (Myanmar's political system has made some changes, but there are still hard limits on her range of political actions and words - hers and that of other politicians) or getting arrested again and lose everything she worked for since she got released (not to mention the political transition process within her country being stopped or outright being rolled back).

edited 12th Oct '17 7:41:52 PM by Quag15

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#3324: Oct 12th 2017 at 8:10:39 PM

[up]Whatever her reasons, she is actively working to drag refugees back into the country where they will be butchered without exception. She is now actively complicit in ethnic cleansing and a solid attempt at genocide, and I have zero sympathy for her, which I reserve for her victims.


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