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#226: Sep 13th 2016 at 2:00:04 PM

Mother’s Killing of Children in Rural China Spurs Debate About Inequality

BEIJING — The young mother lived in obscurity in a wobbly house at the end of a dusty road. She did not speak much with strangers, spending her days tending to rows of wheat, peas and potatoes.

Then, one day in late August, everyone in Agu Shan Village in northwestern China seemed to know her name: Yang Gailan. Ms. Yang, 28, was found dead outdoors alongside her children, three girls and a boy, all under 7 years old. The authorities said Ms. Yang killed herself after poisoning her children with pesticides and attacking them with an ax.

The gruesome story, which was widely shared across social media over the weekend, has ignited concerns across China about the grim realities facing many rural families, as more people leave the countryside for jobs in big cities.

It has also prompted a debate about inequality in Chinese society and the effectiveness of government efforts to reduce poverty, which President Xi Jinping has vowed to eliminate over the next four years.

Ms. Yang was struggling to support her children on the roughly $500 sent home each year by her husband, Li Keying, a migrant worker in a nearby city in Gansu Province, Chinese news reports said. (Mr. Li was found dead this month, apparently a suicide.)

Adding to frustrations about the case, local officials reportedly stripped Ms. Yang of welfare benefits two years ago because she did not meet the official standard for poverty, which in China applies to people earning less than $350 per year.

“When a person commits a crime for bread, then society is to blame,” one user wrote on Weibo, China’s version of Twitter.

Others, though, said it was Ms. Yang’s responsibility to care for her family. “She was too cruel,” Luo Xiaohua, a 25-year-old courier who lives near Agu Shan Village, said in an interview. “It’s wrong to take away lives, let alone the lives of your own children.”

After years of breakneck economic growth, China faces rampant inequality. Village life is rapidly deteriorating, and more than 82 million people, a vast majority of them in rural areas, still lived on less than $1 a day in 2014.

Hu Xingdou, a professor at the Beijing Institute of Technology, said village officials often neglected needy families in doling out welfare benefits.

“Sometimes people who deserve it don’t get it because the policy lacks transparency and justice,” Professor Hu said.

Officials in Agu Shan Village, home to nearly 300 people, could not be reached for comment.

Ms. Yang’s story gained prominence after a report last week by China Youth Daily, a state-run news outlet. The article said that on Aug. 26, Ms. Yang left home with her children, telling relatives she was going to check on the family’s sheep.

Li Keyi, 21, a cousin of Ms. Yang’s husband, celebrated the Lunar New Year with the family in Agu Shan Village last year. In an interview on Monday, he said that even though the family did not live comfortably, Ms. Yang had encouraged him to stay and eat.

“I couldn’t find a family that was poorer than they were,” he said.

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#227: Sep 22nd 2016 at 4:57:59 AM

China is on its way to become the biggest movie market in the world, which has led Hollywood to self-censorship and other things. Specifically with the Chinese audiences in mind.

edited 22nd Sep '16 4:58:16 AM by TerminusEst

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#229: Oct 18th 2016 at 3:11:02 PM

[up]Um... That was years ago? Theresa May is PM, not Gordon Brown.

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#230: Oct 18th 2016 at 7:59:34 PM

Apologies. I didn't notice the date.

Just wanna share that since well, it's the death penalty debate between countries that have or don't have it.

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#231: Nov 1st 2016 at 8:21:09 PM

Well, China's usual censorship and such suddenly miraculously fails when it benefits the government.

Seriously though:

The takeaway: China’s communist regime works much better than Western democracy. “I felt so bad that I picked up my party constitution,” the article concludes. “I didn’t treat you seriously, my dear superior socialism.”

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#232: Nov 9th 2016 at 3:24:17 AM

Chinese Kids Want to Believe in America, but We’re Not Making It Easy for Them

In a courtyard house in Beijing, I teach the future Chinese elite the past failings of America. My history students, all Chinese, are bright high school seniors on course to study at top Western universities. AP U.S. history is a perpetually oversubscribed course at the after-school academy, pulling in five times the numbers of its European equivalent. But in the past few months, the rise of Donald Trump has given a worryingly eschatological feeling to the class, as if we were living through a long-predicted apocalypse.

In teaching history, it’s hard to escape the shadow of Trump. When we talked about the Founding Fathers’ fear of demagogues and the fickle mob, he was there. When we talked about the Know-Nothings, the anti-immigrant party of the late 1840s, or the fever of anti-Chinese hatred in California in the 1880s, he was there. When we talked about the wartime panic that marched Japanese families into internment camps as potential terrorists, he was there. I just hope the world is done with him by the time we get to the civil rights movement, or he’ll be there in every picture of hateful faces screaming at black children.

Racism is the single hardest part of the American experience for idealistic Chinese teenagers to grasp.Racism is the single hardest part of the American experience for idealistic Chinese teenagers to grasp. China has plenty of ethnic prejudices of its own, but it has nothing that matches the poison of chattel slavery and its aftermath. Chinese historiography, as taught in schools and absorbed through media, is crudely Marxist; when I asked my students which factor determined voting preference more than any other in the United States, three-quarters of them said class — none said race. A gulf between the wealthy and the masses makes instinctive sense to them; they see it in the streets and hear it in their parents’ discussions every day. Race doesn’t.

In fairness, nor does a lot of U.S. politics. One of my favorite techniques is to find the most ridiculous parts of the system and unpick their historical origins with the class. There’s a particular “Wait, what!” face my kids make — something like a confused owl — when confronted with yet another absurdity, whether it’s gerrymandering, filibustering, or the fact that Wyoming, with about as many people as the average Beijing district, has as many senators as California, with about as many people as the average Chinese province.

They make these faces because they care about America, and they find its failings frustrating and scary. I assigned them Hamilton for homework over China’s national holidays, despite their skepticism about what exactly a musical was and why they should spend three hours listening to it. The week after, I asked them how it was and got a tumult of delighted responses: “Oh my god!” “Unbelievable!” “So good!” When I turned up early for class a few weeks later, they were playing it on their laptops. They argue about U.S. politics and history in Chinese after class. (“Was Andrew Jackson a Republican?” “No, you twat, he was way before the Republicans.”)

In most ways, my students are radically atypical: They are smart, well-traveled, and from families able to afford my extortionate fees, for starters. But their fascination with the United States is shared with a huge number of their peers. The United States is covered constantly in China — in papers, on TV, in books, in heated online discussions. Much of that is filtered through state media coverage that uses an increasingly sour and paranoid lens. Yet beneath that, a strain of Chinese faith in the United States survives — and my students, in their inquisitiveness and engagement, reflect that.

Throughout the 20th century, many educated Chinese maintained a deep, abiding belief in U.S. democracy.Throughout the 20th century, many educated Chinese maintained a deep, abiding belief in U.S. democracy. It wasn’t just a reference point for intellectual discussion, but a kind of faith, sometimes open, sometimes maintained in secret. In the early years of the People’s Republic, returnees from America, educated at Ivy League colleges, brought back with them a varied mixture of socialist idealism and trust in U.S. principles — only to be persecuted as spies or traitors in the Cultural Revolution.

One of them, 30 years later, described the years he spent locked in an improvised prison, a morgue, for being a “counter-revolutionary.” Speaking to the journalist Justin Mitchell, he said, “I would wake up every morning and go to the small window where I could see the sun and recite the Gettysburg Address.” My friend Ami Li, born in 1986 in the provincial town of Shijiazhuang, told me how his father had taught him about George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Abraham Lincoln — “the great men of history.”

Faith in the United States produces some odd acolytes, like my buddy Rick, who has never left China but was, for years, a fanatical libertarian who spent his spare hours arguing on both Chinese and American political forums. Being an acolyte of Ron Paul in China is like being a Trotskyite in America — a position adopted as much to piss off the people around you as for its own virtues. But underneath that was a devout belief. When Mitt Romney lost the 2012 election, Rick blamed it on his lack of true libertarianism — but increasingly warmed toward Obama because “he believes in the country and so do I.” He is less enthusiastic about the present Republican nominee. At a dinner just after the conventions, munching on a hamburger, he told me, “If Trump wins, I am ready to take up arms and fight him.”

The ability to believe in America has taken a battering over the last two decades. The debacle of Iraq, followed by the global financial crisis — inevitably, and not unfairly, referred to by Chinese media as the “U.S.-caused financial crisis” — took the shine off American glory. That wasn’t helped by some Chinese dissidents hailing neoconservative ideals, such as future Nobel Peace Prize recipient Liu Xiaobo, who wrote a cringingly awful essay backing the Iraq War called “Victory to the Anglo-American Freedom Alliance.”

But at the same time, as China’s emerging urban rich began to engage with the United States more directly, the country started to play an even greater part in the public imagination. Suddenly America was somewhere you could go on holiday to, where your kids went to school, where you might plan an escape from polluted air and sink the $500,000 needed for an investment visa into a business of your own. Online forums started to explode on a daily basis with arguments about whether the United States was heaven or hell, about whether it was amazing that you could turn up at an emergency room and the doctors had to treat you even if you weren’t uninsured, or whether it was disgusting how much a meal cost.

For a mongrel like me, born in Britain to an Aussie mom and with family scattered across the West, China’s obsession with the United States can be a little frustrating, especially when it’s referred to as the be-all and end-all of democracy and the welfare state. “Other countries have functioning health systems!” I cry. “We have sensible ranked voting! We only had one school shooting ever!” And yet it makes sense. The United States is the only country that matches China’s size and scale. European countries, even Asian neighbors like Japan and South Korea, are easy to dismiss as small nations that don’t have China’s problems. The ability of the United States to hold, every two years, a free and fair(-ish) election can’t be shaken off the same way.

And the truth is, I believe in the United States, too. I have ever since reading the first Doonesbury collection I picked up when I was 10 in Manchester, when I couldn’t understand half the jokes but wanted to. I believe in the country that saved the Soviet Union from starvation, that rebuilt its defeated enemies after World War II, that created and embraced jazz and rock and hip-hop, and that makes the best TV in the world.I don’t want students to come away from my class disillusioned with the United States or pessimistic about its future. I don’t want students to come away from my class disillusioned with the United States or pessimistic about its future. I think of myself like a Jesuit scholar teaching biblical criticism at seminary; I want them to be believers, but I want them to be smart believers. I teach them America’s failings because I want them to understand how remarkable its successes are; how amazing it is that a ragtag nation, born in tar and feathers and whips and chains, could mean something 200 years later to a man in a Chinese prison looking at the sun.

And I want them to understand the kind of women and men who did those things, who fought daily in the pursuit of unlimited ends — life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness — with limited means. I want them to understand how hard and tiring it was and how many people never saw the promised land. I want them to know how flawed and broken many of those people were, how many of them were drunks or racists or just given to waving their junk on Air Force One. I want them to know these things because I want them to fight for the same things in another great country when they’re adults.

And so I hope that I can keep believing in the United States after Tuesday evening, because I want them to believe in it, too.

[down] Caught the issue - it seems like I somehow connected the first word of the title to the URL.

edited 9th Nov '16 6:06:35 AM by Krieger22

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#233: Nov 9th 2016 at 5:59:44 AM

That's not a permalink. Link takes me to latest article instead

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#234: Jan 8th 2017 at 6:05:52 AM

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-many-people-feel-that-Chinese-cant-possibly-be-basically-ok-with-their-government-or-society

This is a very interesting discussion on Quora about how the Chinese themselves view the Chinese government, and a discussion on the differences in cultural tradition between China and the Western world. I'm a fan of Kaiser Kuo, and he did a TED talk about the usage of the internet as a public space in China a while back:

edited 8th Jan '17 6:06:40 AM by astrixzero

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#235: Jan 8th 2017 at 7:47:43 AM

I am a Chinese Australian who was born in Beijing and grew up in Sydney, I went back to work in China for a number of years, and I must say that the country itself is completely different from what I thought, and how Western media portray it as. China's society is full of contradictions, and it is not something which is easily understood unless one set foot in the country. Feel free to ask me questions, and some of my personal observations:

  • The biggest problem on the minds of most Chinese is environmental pollution. Government officials get absolutely hammered on social media for their perceived lack of action with the issue, and people in the metropolitan cities have organized various protest actions. Companies investing in "green" technology is big business, and the government itself has suspended the construction of many coal plants. Nevertheless, pollution in China isn't something which can be resolved in a few years - some of it comes from the lack of government regulation, since China's power is still derived from coal, and civilians traditionally used coal bricks for heating. Others come from the increasing usage of cars in a country of billions, and that's not mentioning China's role in being the factory of the world.

  • Despite being referred to as "Communist China", it has not been so since 1978. In reality many Chinese are quite capitalist, and the CCP is filled with multi-millionaires. Today you can see many civil entrepreneurs and start up businesses, and on a grassroots level, anyone can set up food stalls on the street with very lax regulations. The downside of this is that there is a growing wealth gap between the haves and have nots, and on social media the rich kids of government officials, as well as the newly rich peasants, are deemed acceptable targets to make fun of, and they are vicious. Political corruption is another big social problem, and people have organized off the internet into real life protests.

  • Even as a single party state, the CCP is split into different factions. Eg princelings which are the children of previous leaders and generally favor greater liberalization, and Tuanpai who rose up through the party and are generally more conservative. Outside of the party it is even more complex, there are New Confucians who advocate the idea of "harmonious society", the New Left which wants to roll back China's economic reforms in favor of traditional socialism, reformists who wants limited democratic reforms, as well as outright Chinese nationalists who wants China to play a more assertive role in international affairs. What I find interesting is that a large number of CCP officials are of engineering background, and as a result they can engage in massive projects such as the Three Gorges Dam, without seeing their social impacts.

  • Political repression and dissent is still a sensitive topic, but the Chinese state generally stay out of people's private lives, unless something has potential to reach critical mass and have chances for people to take to the streets. Most protests in recent years are in regards to labor laws, as China still lack strong independent unions, and wildcat strikes are very common, yet goes underreported both in Chinese and Western media. On the other hand, the Chinese government is undergoing a process of decentralization in recent years, seeing a growth of civil society, including NG Os and self governing townships and such. Overall, since 1978, the party has been less and less ideological, and prefer to take whatever they think works, and call it "socialism with Chinese characteristics".

  • The nature of Chinese social media is also complicated. FB, Twitter etc are blocked in China, and people tend to use their local social media such as Weibo and Twitter. The government do monitor posts, especially if they have the chance of going viral and inspire anti-government protests. With that said, the government also need to monitor the internet as a means of polling public opinion, and in metro cities, social media is very integrated into governmental departments, reminding you of health checks, council meetings etc. People nevertheless manage to find ways to bypass censorship and even find ways to satire the government, through memes, wordplay etc. It also offered netizens an unprecedented venue to monitor the government, and many officials were busted for scandals thanks to their actions going viral online - the would have never happened in the pre-internet age.

  • Outside of a certain group of nationalists, most Chinese are not xenophobic, and anime and Hollywood movies are incredibly popular there, although they are not uncritical of US and Japanese foreign policies. Furthermore, with a growth of a Chinese middle class, more and more Chinese are traveling overseas, or sending their kids to study overseas. However, I had people ask me why do Westerners hate them so much? which isn't easily answered. I think the biggest barrier towards intercultural communication is cognitive dissonance, since most of us growing up in the West adheres to the values of liberal democracies, and being on opposite ends of the Cold War, China's social and political system is generally seen as alien and repressive, and out goes the accusations of the Chinese being 50 Cent Party or "living in fear of the CCP". Yet seeing their own online comments, and the various conversations I've had, I'd say that there are no harsher critics of the Chinese government that the Chinese themselves.

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#236: Jan 14th 2017 at 12:03:24 AM

Oh hey, a fellow 华侨 on this thread. Sweet.

As someone who moved to the 'States around the turn of the millennium, who's now working in Beijing for the immediate future, I concur with the above synopsis.

Though, because my family has lived in the capital area for the past two/three generations, my parents have urged me to find a job back in the US asap, because they are really worried about the current tensions in the PRC.

Which is going to make the next four years...interesting for my prospects.

Anyways, back to lurking until I get over this jetlag. 15 hours from PRC to LAX is killer.

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#237: Feb 8th 2017 at 12:02:33 PM

One of China's richest and most eccentric billionaires is disappeared by China's police, and brought to Beijing to "assist" Xi Jinping's anti-corruption campaign. A Financial Times article here, for those preferring reading and a China Uncensored video for those who like to watch.

edited 8th Feb '17 12:05:53 PM by TerminusEst

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#239: Feb 17th 2017 at 7:12:23 AM

I wonder if China's habit of including nationalistic pro-totalitarian undertones will bleed over into American film as a result...

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#240: Feb 17th 2017 at 9:13:20 AM

I've actually voiced this concern in the Film Diversity thread:

The most nefarious thing about the Chinese film industry to me is that, by devoting its biggest budget works to being nationalistic diatribes, Westerners' perception of Chinese people will become colored hugely by those Chinese films successful in the West a la the Ip Man series.

That is, a clueless Westerner who rarely ever interacts with people of Chinese descent could easily come to view them as inherently believing in the "Chinese Century", seeing all foreigners as sneering imperialists, and justifying violence against perceived enemies of China by watching most prominent Chinese films.

It doesn't help at all that actual citizens of the PRC culturally consider Chinese-Americans or Canadians to be just as "Chinese" as them, feeding directly into the Western temptation to write off all these white-hating Asians as Yellow Peril antagonists.

—-

I personally suspect that the CCP is taking a page from Islamic fundamentalists, where they purposely demonize themselves to such an extent that people overseas sharing the same ethnicity become associated with them through fear and paranoia. This leads to discrimination and ostracism from the other ethnicities of the host nations, allowing the CCP to radicalize ethnic Chinese abroad to "realize their true culture" and defend it.

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#241: Feb 17th 2017 at 10:15:48 AM

[up]

Well, you wouldn't be completely wrong, it's part of the doctrine of "Three Warfares". Although, it's not an entirely unified effort as parts of the machine are controlled by different factions inside the CCP.

Meanwhile, schools created by the "red nobility" of revolutionary-era Commander and families have popped up.

edited 17th Feb '17 10:20:48 AM by TerminusEst

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#242: Feb 17th 2017 at 10:18:48 AM

[up][up] First, the CCP is definitely not looking to start a war with anyone, China usually abstains whenever a controversial issue is voted for, apart from those involving Taiwan/Senkaku Islands. They seem to be trying to improve their international image, in fact.

Also, nationalism is an issue in many countries, not just China, so it's natural for themes like that to flow into the narrative of the movie, certainly not with the intent to provoke the Westerners, but simply because they believe their nation is the best. And very few ethnical Asians would feel the need to defend a state and values which are not theirs, the CCP is more intelligent than ISIS in regards to that.

edited 17th Feb '17 10:18:59 AM by Grafite

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#243: Feb 22nd 2017 at 12:22:23 PM

A look at what has been going on in Xinjiang.

Also, if you don't want to lose faith in humanity, don't read the comments.

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#244: Mar 2nd 2017 at 6:51:23 AM

I read my local newspaper today and found out that both Russia and China has vetoed against an UN resolution imposing sanctions on Syria. Why would China do this?

edited 2nd Mar '17 6:52:11 AM by murazrai

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#245: Mar 2nd 2017 at 7:12:14 AM

[up]Norinco could do without losing customers. Also, flipping off "imperialists".

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#246: Mar 11th 2017 at 10:06:49 AM

A look at the economic espionage of the PRC.

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#247: May 8th 2017 at 12:24:24 AM

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/prominent-rights-lawyers-delayed-trial-opens-china-033037878.html

A human rights lawyer admits to being brainwashed...

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#248: May 11th 2017 at 8:15:05 AM

MMA fighter beats tai chi master. Outrage ensues.

BEIJING — For weeks, the mixed martial arts fighter Xu Xiaodong had been taunting masters of the traditional Chinese martial arts, dismissing them as overly commercialized frauds, and challenging them to put up or shut up.

After one of them — Wei Lei, a practitioner of the “thunder style” of tai chi — accepted the challenge, Mr. Xu flattened him in about 10 seconds.

Mr. Xu may have proved his point, but he was unprepared for the ensuing outrage.

When video of the drubbing went viral, many Chinese were deeply offended by what they saw as an insult to a cornerstone of traditional Chinese culture.

The state-run Chinese Wushu Association posted a statement on its website saying the fight “violates the morals of martial arts.” The Chinese Boxing Association issued similar criticism.

An article by Xinhua, the state news agency, called Mr. Xu a “crazy guy,” saying that the fight had caused people to question whether Chinese martial arts were of any use and even to ask, “What exactly are traditional Chinese martial arts?”

The reaction has been so furious that Mr. Xu has gone into hiding.

“I’ve lost everything, my career and everything,” he said in a message circulating online. “I think many people misunderstand me. I’m fighting fraudulence, but now I’ve become the target.”

Many people around the world assumed that this debate had long been settled. Mixed martial arts fighters have for years held exhibition fights against practitioners of traditional martial arts — kung fu, karate and judo among them. The old ways, for all their balletic grace, lost decisively.

A woman reached by telephone at the Battle Club in southeast Beijing, where Mr. Xu works, said he was not giving interviews. She declined to give her name.

On Wednesday morning, the door of the Battle Club, in the dingy basement of a high-rise, was locked. Photographs of Mr. Xu and other M.M.A. fighters decorated the walls of the stairwell.

An electrician lingering by a cigarette shop at the top of the stairs said he practiced wushu and had come to check out the club after hearing about the controversy. He said that Mr. Xu had been right to pose his challenge, even though it had infuriated people.

“No one can avoid fighting,’’ said the man, who gave only his surname, Lian, and a social media username, Ruyi.

He said defenders of the traditional martial arts were incensed that Mr. Xu had dared to say that they staged impressive performances but were ineffective fighters and that, by doing so, he had threatened their livelihoods.

Yet Mr. Xu’s ultra-aggressive assault on his tai chi rival had missed an important point, Mr. Lian added.

“The key difference between what Mr. Xu does and martial arts is that martial arts isn’t a competitive sport,’’ he said. “It’s not about really hurting. It’s about giving your opponent ‘face.’ And Mr. Xu’s style is about beating your opponent to near death.”

So, the art in martial arts is what matters most these days. Well, given that MMA is apparently where it's at these days for fast takedowns, why not?

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#249: May 11th 2017 at 8:29:16 AM

There's nothing in MMA that hasn't been used before. TMA has simply lost so much that very little of it remains. Very few genuine teachers exist anymore.

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#250: May 11th 2017 at 8:40:36 AM

I feel that this is more suited to the Martial Arts Thread over in Yack Fest, if only for more people versed in the topic.

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