Spider-Man: Homecoming

After rewatching the movie, I think I'm a little less harsh on Peter's personal arc. It's not perfect, but the theme of him learning to care about the people around him is a lot stronger than I initially gave it credit for. I still think the late "I'm nothing without this suit" bit is a little superfluous, but it works as part of the general "what's really important is the help he can do, not being like Tony" theme - it's more that Peter's going "I'm nothing without this dream" to Tony.

Though I still wish there was a couple snippets about Spider-Man outside of that dream, maybe even before Civil War, or more of a picture painted of the ethics that made him Spider-Man in the first place: there's a sense that we're supposed to understand Peter as having forgotten what's really important in his fixation in becoming an Avenger, but we don't have much of a sense of him having ever known it in the first place.

It's like that all over the place in comic books. I can't even count the number of times someone just... becomes the boss of Gotham City somehow and ousts everybody else. Sometimes on multiple separate occasions.

edited 29th Jul '17 11:53:30 AM by KnownUnknown

I mean. They did have chemistry. Intentional chemistry based on what artist Tana Ford told me

Hi ho, friends. I'm having a dispute with another troper here regarding Tony's responsibility for Toomes' criminal activities. Could we get some more opinions?

edited 29th Jul '17 1:16:25 PM by Eagal

Tony is to blame for everything everywhere.

N'uff Said.

The Liz part of this is an excellent point.

edited 31st Jul '17 5:14:20 AM by 32ndfreeze

Eh, a supervillain could try to break the two up by always attacking during their dates

Sorry if I'm late for the party guys, but I just recently watched the film after being on a vacation. Well, here's what I have to say about it.

Now that the friendly neighbor Spider-Man is back to Marvel, we could rest assure in a great movie expected by them, and oh boy, they did. With some alterations done to the source material, it transforms Spider-Man into a character that can be inspiring and acting with today's standards. I think that if more like this follows, then the other characters may come back to Marvel as well. Pros: Excellent and realistic performance from Tom Holland as Peter Parker, nice action scenes, compelling three-dimensional villain played by Michael Keaton, likable and interesting supporting characters, fitting humor, well-written moral of what you can choose in being heroic, good choice of licensed songs and more realistic depiction of Spidey's use of his powers. Cons: The pacing can drag on for some hours.

Verdict: 9/10

With that said, Superhero movies this year are looking great, and with two more on the horizon and if Justice League is successful as well, then filmmakers as of now has shown how to do comic book adaptations justice and probably will continue for the next years.

Honestly, I feel about this movie similar to how I feel about Wonder Woman. In that I think it is a good movie, but frustrating to watch because with just a few tweaks, it could have been a great one.

What tweaks?

The Stark Industry's lack of brain cells, for starter.

Well, maybe it's not that they lack brain cells but that they're overconfident of what power they hold.

In this case I think the movie was lacking the emotional underpinning. For example while I certainly didn't want to see Uncle Ben die again, I think the scene in the restaurant would have been stronger if he had been mentioned during the conversation and Peter had said something which hinted that he feels guilty about him dying, I think this would have gone a long way to ground the character a little bit more. This would also make the "you are never here" scene much stronger, because then Peter's sense of abandonment could be traced back to him subconsciously looking for a father figure.

I also think that there should be a scene with Betty in which they talk about something more than how hot Spider-man is or this stupid competition, something more personal. Ie they could talk about parents, with Betty mentioning how much she loves her parents even though her father is travelling all the time and Peter mentioning how important Aunt May is to him. I feel that when they go the school ball, we haven't really gotten a true sense of Betty as a character, and so I had trouble to feel for her when her world falls apart around her (especially since she takes it very, very stoically).

And they should skipped the "call me MJ" part. They should have waited how the audience react to the character before making a decision like this.

That is not saying that there aren't any deep emotional moments in the movie...I looooooove the part where Peter is trapped and crying like the child he is because he is over his head before he pulls himself together. I love the idea of a villain, who owes Peter - twice.

OH, which brings me to another thing I would have changed...the first kill of vulture...it should be deliberate, not accidental.

Why deliberate?

Did you mean Liz?

Yeah, sorry, brain fart...but this shows how little impact her character had on me, she was just around, there was little about her which stuck out and make me like her. She was the epitome of a typical Spider-man love-interest, just there to create drama. And that is bad writing imho.

Because that would have meant a jump in his character development. It is one thing to say "f.. this sh... if the government ruins my business I will collect this stuff and sell it instead" and killing someone.

It did show that he was on a slippery slope and losing control though

Yes, but I think the scene would have been more powerful if it hadn't ended in a joke. I am one of the last person who buys in the "Marvel has no gravitas" BS but this is one of the few occasions where they undermined what would have otherwise been a powerful scene.

Awesome Japanese poster◊ from Yusuke Murata.

Isn't he a huge Spidey fan? I remember him doing a Spidey vs. Doc Oc pic once and it was awesome. Man has a Midas touch with his pen.

Yeah, he is, and the one you're thinking of was something he did for Spider-Man 2◊. It's still one of the best pieces of spider-man art i've seen to date.

Murata-san is just hands down one of the best artists ever. The way he just breathes life into his art is amazing.

Yeah I found out about him through One-Punch Man and am still continuously blown away by his expertise.

I wish he'd do a whole Spider-Man comic someday.

I just saw this movie today and thought it was good. I really liked the D.C. scene the best.

How It Should Have Ended.

Not bad. I enjoyed the things that separated it from the other Spider-Man movies, which isn't easy to do after it's been rebooted this many times. Tom Holland is an excellent Spider-Man and date I say better than Garfield and Maguire.

The Vulture was an intriguing villain and I thought the story and the action scenes were done well. Looking forward to more adventures with this Spidey.