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Karxrida The Unknown from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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#151: Jul 28th 2015 at 3:15:42 PM

KH is marginally more likely than the rest because of what I said before on top of KH games being on other Nintendo consoles (though admittedly just handhelds). Depending on how powerful the NX and how well it does I can see getting FFVII on it (which would be ironic considering FFVII's development requirements are why Square jumped ship from Nintendo for a bit) since Square could only really benefit from a good port.

edited 28th Jul '15 3:17:55 PM by Karxrida

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#152: Jul 28th 2015 at 4:02:12 PM

[up][up]Publishers are the ones who decide what games are made, what platforms they're for, marketing deals, and most other business decisions. Developers are obviously important because they make the games, but publishers are the ones that decide what direction the industry is going.

Nintendo, Square Enix, Capcom, etc are publishers. They pay for games to be made. Now these publishers also have lots of developer teams, so they're generally considered developers as well. They're involved with all facets of making the game and are larger entities than developers. Independent developers like Gamefreak, Platinum, From, etc generally make their larger games using money from a publisher and usually focus primarily on just development.

Shadao Since: Jan, 2013
#153: Jul 28th 2015 at 4:38:51 PM

I do hope people here would realize that Square-Enix says they're "considering" of bringing Dragon Quest to the NX. Key word is considering and they stress this part. I say be careful with the news here, and double check it. The last thing we need is a misconception and false hype.

edited 28th Jul '15 4:39:14 PM by Shadao

burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#154: Jul 28th 2015 at 6:27:07 PM

While I haven't watched the announcement itself, my understanding is that they simply announced it and then backpedaled to "considering" later, which most assume is due to them having not supposed to have said that yet.

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#155: Jul 28th 2015 at 10:33:26 PM

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edited 28th Jul '15 10:33:55 PM by edvedd

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#156: Jul 29th 2015 at 8:52:25 AM

[up][up]Nope. It was a Japan only stream so when the text for XI at the very end said "Coming to PS 4 and 3DS" and "Being considered for NX" the online translators thought it was supposed to be a big thing like the text for VIIR being "Coming first to PS 4" even though SE and Sony after E3 said "We're talking ports of the game years later after the PS 4 release. We currently have no plans for making versions for Xbone or Wii U and won't start working on them even if we did until after the game launches on PS 4". Probably none of SE's FF or KH games will come to the NX because the money they would earn can't be enough to make it viable to make ports when they want PS 4 to be a big hit in Japan. SE is debating giving one of their top sellers in Japan to NX later probably for the same reason that they said they gave up on Xbox but still makes games for Playstation: because they don't want the home console market to die out in Japan.

Playstation is getting every single game from SE from now until probably 2019 because the company has a good relationship with Sony, history of their best sellers selling the best on their systems, the easiest console to make games for with their high goals(the Xbone version of FFXV and KH 3 runs like ass from what we've seen and they're the last games that are going to come out on the system due to this and their being no install base in the country), both want to stay on the console scene(which is also why Capcom is making SFV with Sony and a new MHO game), every other publisher in the world aside from Nintendo focusing on Playstation(even the new COD game is being advertised as being the best on PS 4 unlike last gen when it was Xbox)in their marketing and their never being as big a fanbase for their games on Xbox or Nintendo systems.

NX/Wii 3/4DS are going to keep getting Japan focused games like DQ series games, Bravely series games, mobile games(they have several with over a million users in Japan)and some spin offs but probably not all going by last gen where they didn't sell well at all despite being great games(so now the spin offs gets versions on both handhelds and PS 4 like Wo FF that's exclusive to Sony systems)but they're not going to get SE's full support like PS 4 because they don't need to support the systems with ports to keep it alive because Nintendo will do that with their first party games.

In the end NX is going to sell around 10/11 million units with the new handheld selling way better and SE will support the systems like they did last gen but focus on PS 4 because ~80% of their fanbase is there and there's a larger chance someone among 30 million users will buy a game than someone among 10 million.

This is their stated focus from the last financial meeting. Focus on Sony, support Nintendo to a lesser degree and give Microsoft only western focused games like Just Cause and Tomb Raider because the JRPG's doesn't sell there at all and it's a waste of money to make them for the system.

Much like last gen I expect this gen to have the same "Buy a Sony system for the third party focused series, buy a Nintendo handheld for the exclusive games and buy a Nintendo console for the first parties and exclusive games that Sony doesn't cover" mentality. We know this is how Sony and Nintendo want it to be going by their ease at saying "Yeah, I have a PS 3/4 and a WII/U in my room and I think everyone should"(fun fact: Iwata(RIP) really liked the FF games and the Go W series while one of Sony's CEO's bought every Nintendo console because Zelda is a great series).

Wow this was a long post.

Edit: Tl;dr: Don't expect huge support from SE but they aren't going to abandon it quickly like they did Xbone.

edited 29th Jul '15 8:57:34 AM by LordofLore

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#157: Jul 29th 2015 at 9:54:58 AM

One of the things Nintendo needs to do is try and get some exclusive DLC for any multi-platform games. One of the major sellers of multi-platform games is exclusivity.

Nintendo could easily get a large number of people to buy the NX if they can get third party developers to use their I Ps as part of DLC.

One major idea I've had was to give Batman a Link suit in Batman: Arkham Knight (which, if the NX can run Unreal Engine 4 is almost an inevitability), since Link is pretty much the closest Nintendo could possibly come to Batman.

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#158: Jul 29th 2015 at 10:20:46 AM

Nintendo's better off just screwing the whole thing. They'd have to plug down a LOT of money to overcome the bias present in both publishers and consumers that third party games on Nintendo consoles are not worthwhile, they have to not only convince the third parties to make them on-par or better, they have to convince people to buy them so that publishers will make more than one.

With all the money that would take, to no guarantee of success, it would be easier to just do their own thing: work with third parties on economical exclusive games (stuff like Bayonetta which doesn't break the bank, but fills a niche not occupied by the massive AAA games that dominate the scene on other consoles). Work with them to bring back old franchises that fit the Nintendo mood, like approaching Ubisoft with an offer on Beyond Good And Evil 2 or something.

To clarify: i mean games on a budget that aren't cheapo games, the old and now-elusive class of "mid-tier" games. Shenmue III would have been a good candidate, Fatal Frame V is a good example of Nintendo actually doing it.

edited 29th Jul '15 10:22:17 AM by Ogodei

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#160: Aug 8th 2015 at 11:46:21 AM

I would have no objections if that happened. FFXIV was looking really cool once that update Nomura Tetsuya (I believe) worked on rolled in.

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#161: Aug 8th 2015 at 12:40:14 PM

Cool, that means that having KH or FFVII on the NX isn't a pipedream and actually feasible.

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Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#162: Aug 8th 2015 at 1:05:42 PM

[up][up]Nomura has next to nothing to do with XIV.

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#163: Aug 8th 2015 at 1:14:03 PM

I recall that there was one major update that he had a hand it. Like, people largely didn't like FFXIV until this update.

I think it was the "Through the Maelstrom" update as that's the one that got me interested in the game.

edited 8th Aug '15 1:26:31 PM by Zelenal

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Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#164: Aug 8th 2015 at 1:48:37 PM

You're thinking of Naoki Yoshida, the game's current producer. Things were more or less cleaned up for the game a little before that, when it was re-released as a Realm Reborn, when it largely retooled itself to be the best WoW clone on the market after scoping the competition and capitalizing on current MMO trends.

To get back on topic, that would suggest that the NX has a fair amount of processing and graphical power if they want to port XIV over to it.

edited 8th Aug '15 1:51:34 PM by Hashil

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#165: Aug 8th 2015 at 2:15:59 PM

It also further supports the idea that it is a brand new console/handheld.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#166: Aug 8th 2015 at 3:16:54 PM

The way stuff is coming out about it, I don't think it's related to handhelds.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#167: Aug 8th 2015 at 3:27:41 PM

[up][up] They are porting over a version of XI to the phones so you never know.

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#168: Aug 8th 2015 at 3:34:23 PM

[up][up] It was stated a long time ago that the next generation of Nintendo gaming platforms would have the handheld and the console integrated. The teams that make them are usually separate but they were brought together to work on the NX.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#169: Aug 8th 2015 at 6:32:51 PM

Which makes sense considering:

1) The Popularity of the DS and 3DS.

2) The Wii U gamepad.

3) The interactivity between games released on both systems (using the 3DS to play Wii U games if you have a game for both.

It was the next logical step.

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#170: Aug 8th 2015 at 7:46:59 PM

[up]x2

[Citation needed]. People keep saying this but I've never seen any proof.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#171: Aug 8th 2015 at 7:47:44 PM

[up]Wasn't that one of the few things Nintendo themselves said about the system?

I'm sure I've heard it somewhere.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#172: Aug 8th 2015 at 8:30:06 PM

No. No official info has been released other than the fact that it exists. Everything else bar a few games being considered is speculation and rumor.

The main source of the hybrid idea is a rumor that went around a few years ago about a hybrid system being in development. Everyone basically assumes it now, even though it's not even confirmed.

edited 8th Aug '15 8:31:30 PM by strawberryflavored

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#174: Aug 8th 2015 at 8:52:35 PM

[up]x2

So I'm right to be skeptical of claims that the NX will be both a console and portable system then?

strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#175: Aug 8th 2015 at 8:55:52 PM

Until actual facts are release, yeah. I'm not too convinced on the idea either.


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