Deadpool

I question that.

Superman and Wonder Woman had a successful film franchise and TV series respectively, as did The Flash and Adam West Batman, and all of those had garish costumes.

Garish, colorful costumes all around.

Edited by FOFD on Apr 25th 2024 at 6:18:59 AM

I was exaggerating a bit, Tim Burton Batman, and Richard Donner Superman were both very successful superhero films released prior to X-Men. Furthermore, the Raimi Spider-Man films were roughly contemporary with the X-Men films and found success despite having bright costumes and a (slightly) more 'comic-booky' tone (if that makes sense), so grounded films with Movie Superheroes Wear Black weren't completely dictating what people watched. I just think that the success of the X-Men films (which found success in part due to being more 'palatable' by having the characters wear less colourful clothing, not that I necessarily love or hate the black clothing but I'm talking about the general affect on audiences) were vital for the subsequent success of the MCU and therefore Wolverine now wearing yellow.

Edited by king15 on Apr 25th 2024 at 10:18:40 AM

I'd like to throw Smallville in to having forming the foundation of superhero acceptance too.

Edited by FOFD on Apr 25th 2024 at 6:23:30 AM

But, yeah, suffice it to say that I am 100% here for these incredibly bright and eyecatching outfits now. And that official trailer's got me STOKED, as I've doubtlessly stated many times. Of course Deadpool used a fucking Madonna song.

Its the thing that as important the Foxmen are to superhero movies resurgence, they've also aged poorly in multiple ways.

Primarily in being horrible team movies. As popular as Wolverine is, that came about partly cause the movies overfocused on him at the expense of everyone else.

Its telling that Deadpool did a better job having other mutants like Colossus.

If anything, the Fox X-Men movies contributed more to the success of movies like Watchmen by giving audiences more serious tones and weightier moral dilemmas.

People who say the MCU is "gritty and serious" in tone don't seem to have ever watched it, since it is filled with quips and irreverent humor. What it did accomplish was to make all this stuff seem more grounded, like it could be taking place in a real, living world.

Actions had consequences that carried over from movie to movie. Characters had continuity. The world took notice of superheroes in complex ways. X-Men did some of that too, especially with the anti-mutant prejudice, but the MCU allowed its stars to be pop-culture heroes in-universe (as opposed to the "It's a bird, it's a plane" nonsense).

Deadpool can only exist in context with all of this stuff. His job is to poke fun at it, and it has to establish tones and settings for him to make fun of. He needs to contrast with the seriousness of everyone else. Hence, Wolverine is his natural foil.

Edited by Fighteer on Apr 25th 2024 at 6:56:09 AM

...I dunno, I get the distinct impression that the production crews for these Deadpool films use the far darker and gritter territory of those earlier films for their marketing, and the stories they want to tell. From Deadpool 1, it was clear that the folks making that film, and indeed the films that came after, were wanting to distance themselves HARD from the legacy of those far earlier X-Men movies.

Edited by Ego-Man25 on Apr 25th 2024 at 3:55:52 AM

I always thought DC was criticized for taking things too seriously and Marvel was too quippy/comedic.

Edited by FOFD on Apr 25th 2024 at 7:02:52 AM

Yeah, but due to how infamously complicated rights issues were with Marvel movies, not every Marvel film for the longest time got that memo, not with the schlock we'd see from Fox or Sony, or grim and dour films, or just muted color palettes in general. Marvel Studios compensated for this most of the time, presenting themselves as the real deal, the folks willing to have those more "lighthearted" laughs, whereas with Fox's Deadpool films, every bite they made, towards DC, and indeed Fox themselves, went far more vitriolic.

Definitely get your point. While I still don't think the MCU would exist with the X-Men series, I think I overstated the direct influence.

On a related point, I wonder whether the new X-Men films that will begin at some point after this film will still have Wolverine as a focus, or whether they'll be more even. Like I said before, the main thing that put me off the rest of the films was Wolverine (who I liked but found less interesting then some of the other characters) apparently remaining as the de-facto protagonist, so I hope the new series won't repeat that mistake.

I meant the new version of Wolverine there'll probably (though not necessarily) be.

Edited by king15 on Apr 25th 2024 at 11:13:52 AM

It seems unlikely that Hugh Jackman would agree to keep portraying the character indefinitely. He might spur the migration of the X-Men into the MCU, but I don't think he'll stick around long afterwards.

I really hope they don't bring back Wolverine with a new actor.

Would much prefer other characters getting a shot at major focus.

I've always wondered how Cyclops would fare as the main character. I know he's a focused-on character but like... his sole ability is firing BIG EFF OFF LASERS from his eyes.

That's it. His power doesn't evolve or change and it can't interact differently or in ways you wouldn't expect. So is he a good fighter or strategist, and is he the solely person contributing that to the team?

He's highly intelligent, a tactical genius, and a great leader. He's basically the Captain America of the X-Men.

Also about his optic blasts being "one-note", here's a demonstration of how he uses his powers in the field.

The first episode of X-Men 97 does a great job of using Cyke. including optic blast recoil veing used for mobility I don't know if they took that from another source or invented it themselves.

Scott's difficult in that you've got to make him likable but he's also a bit stiff and socially awkward will caring passionately underneath. Very much a The Chains of Commanding theme to him as well.

Eta: oh damn. I don't know how to link specific videos. the one titled "optic blast" was the one i ws thinking of but "cyclops hero landing" is also relevant.

Edited by dcutter2 on Apr 25th 2024 at 12:47:05 PM

Cyclops can basically fire a Kamehameha from his eyes and he has incredible spatial awareness to create impossible trick shots by ricocheting optic blasts.

Its a straightforward power but one with a lot of mileage to itm

Well... that beam doesn't obey the laws of physics at all...

But there's one thing I gotta say, at least in regards to the trailer here:

That quote from Wade felt like it came from the heart. Obvious character shilling is obvious, sure, but this sounds like a guy coming to Logan as a Hail Mary... and I really dig this.

He’s wrong though.

The X-Man is Jean and Scott’s dirtbag son FROM ANOTHER TIMELINE

There's an interesting bit that Nathan Summers is what Cable would be like if the techno-organic virus wasn't holding back his powers.

Meaning Cable's potential is omega-level same as his mom's.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 27th 2024 at 3:23:48 AM

I was recently reading the pages for the x-men movies and in the page Movie Superheroes Wear Black, the example for the first X-men movie includes this trivia "Notably, a short clip is on the first movie DVD in which Hugh Jackman runs around the set in a comic-accurate Wolverine costume, and absolutely nobody is taking it seriously." that was written by a troper in 2011. Does anyone know what clip is being refered here? If anyone could indentify it or share it, please do.

There is NO fucking shot that this would have been like Hugh Jackman's Deadpool & Wolverine outfit, however. Even if that clip does exist, this isn't the mastery that is Ryan Reynolds and Shawn Levy making absolute magic happen before our eyes.

New Deadpool summary

But I thought we were gonna find who killed Bambi's mom.

SPOILER ALERT: Deadpool shot Bambi's mom off-screen while he was going galivanting through time in the end of his second movie, and then he indirectly started the forest fire of the climax by pointing out to some hunters that Bambi's forest would make a good campsite. This is what got him on the TVA's radar.

Edited by TrashJack on May 4th 2024 at 12:42:22 PM