Tokyo Ghoul

Nah the incels would just espouse him as one their saints.

Exactly.

I find the incel comparison kind of distasteful, but I see where it comes from. It's Furuta after all, who's personality is based on being as distasteful as possible

Kaneki was kind of incel for bit as Black Reaper if you think about it though... I mean, if you read the poem at the end of volume 5 of :re, which is about Kaneki, it says stuff with lines like "how did you believe you would be loved" "it was that woman who was poison itself" "when your so ugly" and "automatic failure at happiness, shapeless spawn."

The only thing stopping Torso from being an Incel is that he's too broke to afford an internet connection, and thus can't plug into that particular matrix of toxic group-think.

Furuta, meanwhile, has a more of garden variety of selfishness. I don't think he objectifies women any more than he objectifies everyone else. To him, everyone's just a puppet dancing on somebody else's strings, and therefore he wants to be the puppeteer.

It's more his treatment of Rize that reminds me of incels. Torso is definitely a more clear cut incel though. His behavior matches the traits you'll find in a lot of incels disturbingly well.

edited 29th May '18 11:16:20 PM by Wispy

It's sad how the point of Rize's character has kind of always been to be objectified. "Rize Kamishiro doesn't exist," as Itori said. In chapter 76 Kaneki said he always projected the things he wanted to hear and people he wanted to meet onto Rize and Hide. Furuta's entire life goal revolves around one woman who he's obsessed with and wanted to have a family with even though Rize herself would absolutely be disgusted at the idea of having a family with anyone, because she sees at as being controlled like when she was in the garden. Banjo also sort of projected his ideal of a strong and free-willed person onto her.

It's really meta, and that's kind of what I like about it.

The thing about Furuta? There does seem to be a streak of misogyny to him that's relatively understated, but quite explicit.

Which makes sense, considering his upbringing and how he emulates the Washuu clan's abuses. The Washuus treat all women as tools, whether as breeders or as disposable soldiers like Hairu. He probably internalized a lot of those ideas, and focused it on Rize as he grew up without her.

Can I get some elaboration? I'm not recalling anything that particular brand of skeevy from him other than his attitude towards Rize.

He's kind of been established as a villain through his more extreme actions towards women.

• Ami, the woman he seduced and brought to the Restaurant. He enjoys mocking her appearance and belief he would want her.
• Matsumae. He maims, belittles, and toys with her unlike the others he killed during that arc.
• His interactions with Eto, with him demonstrating sexually charged/dominant body language while interrogating her.
• His use of Hairu and her body, as a "damsel" to string Ui along.
• His whole Rize thing. o_O

It matches him overall being a dark reflection of Kaneki, who is also heavily influenced by women in his life. But tends to respect them or idealize them, as opposed to wanting to tear them down like Furuta.

I nearly forgot about how he was involved with that woman's death very early on in the series. She wasn't the most likeable of characters but she certainly didn't deserve to die like that nor did that other guy whom got chopped.

Well the point of the ghoul restaurant is that it's messed up even for ghouls.

Actually with the talk of the ghoul restaurant and Furuta I think it'd be interesting to bring up the similarities between Tsukiyama and Furuta. Both are Pisces, and they both had a moment where they were all "everything belongs to me!" So they share that sadism. Both are associated with the Moon.

An interesting point is where they differ. If you've read their birthday poems, you'll know Furuta has never once been happy that he was born, thinking nothing of his birthday. While Shuu seems to absolutely sanctify birthdays.

Personal aside: I share a birthday with Tsukiyama, so that's cool.

Spoiler time!

• Furuta lays against the wall singing a children's song.
• Eto, flipping people off after regenerating now that Donato is dead.

Oh wow it was Eto I never saw that coming. It was totally the corpse of a half-human that wasn't a ghoul after all!

edited 4th Jun '18 8:25:19 AM by OmegaRadiance

I have never been so happy to be wrong about a theory.

So let's recap what we've learned this week:

• The reason for the big graveyard and Western burial practices for dead investigators is because the Washuus eat them. Ultimately irony, they get eaten no matter how they died.
• Eto is back, and ready to drag her haters.
• Koma and Irimi are dead, and have been experimented on with an old ccg concept of using ghoul corpses as remote-controlled "quinque".
• Naki and the white suits survived.

Naki being alive is the silliest shit. Honestly the way things are going is far too positive for my tastes. I need more suffering to go with the joy.

I, for one, am happy with all the positive stuff going on right now because there's been entire arcs worth of suffering. Its time for things to balance out.

Surely Naki being alive is balanced out by Koma and Irimi being dead, on the optimism scale.

Not just dead. Dead and their corpses used as remote-controlled zombies to attack their friends.

It's quinque taken to the absolute worst extremes.

Right so, I loved this chapter. You'll excuse if I gush over it. Eto gets brought back, best girl don't @ me. Plus the revelations from V, really brings me back to the times when there was a lot of mystery surrounding the setting with very terrifying undertones, and I don't think it gets more terrifying than finding out the corpses of departed CCG agents have been sustenance for the Washuu. Kaiko is good for an end game villian that's meant to be menacing. Also really hope my boys Ken and Furuta are able to have a talk, just a brief exchange where they find some kind of understanding is enough, a bit of wishful thinking. Also wondering if Furuta purposefully lied about the White Suits to V.

The revelation about the Washuu clan makes them ironically the most ghoulish of any of the Ghouls in the series.

And they're the ones who wanted to be human.

Not... seeing what's so bad about the Washuus were doing, personally. It's better than what all the non-Anteiku ghouls have been doing. They've gotta get bodies from somewhere, so why not go after the ones that died anyway?

edited 4th Jun '18 9:44:39 PM by Gilphon

It has more to do with how the Washuu were manufacturing conflicts to do this, at least in my opinion.

That's nothing we didn't already know, though. And more about maintaining their power anyway; it's not like they needed bodies in the numbers Matsuri's operations provided.

Like, they were running a pretty evil scam, yeah, but the fact that said scam happened to provide them with a sustainable food source as a bonus doesn't make it significantly worse.