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Elfive Since: May, 2009
#3751: Mar 3rd 2017 at 8:16:07 AM

A lot of Japanese people live with their parents right? Makes sense a Fuck Room rental business would spring up.

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, Bitch! from Eldritch Nightmareland Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#3752: Mar 3rd 2017 at 8:19:14 AM

They have Batman and JURASSIC PARK themed hotel rooms. I'm not kidding.

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#3753: Mar 3rd 2017 at 8:54:31 AM

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"The 'fire' rises!"

edited 3rd Mar '17 8:54:59 AM by TerminusEst

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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, Bitch! from Eldritch Nightmareland Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#3754: Mar 3rd 2017 at 10:50:08 AM

Gaijin gokmbah talks about them more in depth where he compares them to the honeybee inn from Final Fantasy VII:

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Imca (Veteran)
#3755: Mar 3rd 2017 at 11:19:58 AM

[up] Gaijin is not a good person to listen too, he has more then once got into an argument with native game developers in an effort to "defend them" dispite the developers themselfs saying it is fucked up.

I know for a fact at least one of them blocked him over it.

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#3756: Mar 3rd 2017 at 11:41:38 AM

[up] he knows his stuff otherwise, so it doesn't matter to me.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#3757: Mar 3rd 2017 at 11:43:07 AM

My understanding is that love hotels are basically a place to get some privacy, which is in short supply for many people in Japan even when they own their own home. High population density will do that to a culture. So the idea is that you go to a love hotel with your significant other rather than "your place or mine?", because your apartment has paper thin walls where your neighbors (and roommates, if you have any) can hear absolutely everything that's going on.

Compare the Honeybee Inn, which is a straight-up brothel.

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Imca (Veteran)
#3758: Mar 3rd 2017 at 11:55:24 AM

[up][up]Except he doesnt, which is why he gets into arguments with natives.

He blindly follows, idolizes, and defends never criticizing any thing, not even the stuff that any of us born there hate.

[up] You are 100% correct there, the lack of privacy is also why the rate of ummmm.... sexual activity amongst unmarried couples is so low.

It's really not low at all though once people are married.

edited 3rd Mar '17 11:57:23 AM by Imca

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#3759: Mar 3rd 2017 at 12:18:47 PM

The fact that there are Jurassic Park themed "love hotel" rooms is the most hilarious thing I've heard in a while, no joke.

Imca (Veteran)
#3760: Mar 3rd 2017 at 12:20:56 PM

Really? I would have thaught it would be the hello kitty ones to you guys.

Errr I mean that in an honest way not as a slight.

edited 3rd Mar '17 12:21:09 PM by Imca

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#3761: Mar 3rd 2017 at 12:28:18 PM

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Yeah, I found it. It's an entire hotel. I don't even-. It's...it's actually called Jzauruss.

I wonder. Imagine wanting to have a nice little intimate time and one of you is laughing hysterically the whole day.

edited 3rd Mar '17 12:31:59 PM by TerminusEst

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#3762: Mar 3rd 2017 at 12:50:41 PM

Yeah, well, I'm a way huge fan of Jurassic Park, so I have a personal bias.

Also I expect Hello Kitty to be everywhere; that franchise has octopus tentacles in everything.

Imca (Veteran)
#3763: Mar 3rd 2017 at 12:52:20 PM

Fair enough, besides survival situations make interesting roleplaying. >.>

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#3764: Mar 3rd 2017 at 1:35:44 PM

OK, the exterior of that Jurassic Park one is actually damned impressive, in terms of looking like a location from the movies.

The really weird part to me is that Universal Studios must have signed off on that. Or is it just different enough to skirt trademark laws?

edited 3rd Mar '17 1:41:32 PM by Rationalinsanity

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#3765: Mar 3rd 2017 at 9:18:30 PM

Probably skirts trademark laws, and is also in a different country where such lawsuits might be more complicated to prosecute. Since many countries aren't quite on the same page regarding that kind of thing.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#3766: Mar 3rd 2017 at 10:24:27 PM

I'll second that "Hello Kitty" is everywhere. There's even a friggin' Hello Kitty passenger jet.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#3767: Mar 3rd 2017 at 10:58:23 PM

[up]That's nothing. It's when you get to rice steamers, toasters, urns, themed phones and laptops, cars and vibrators all sold next to each other in a great, big wall of glaring pink that things get interesting. tongue

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#3768: Mar 3rd 2017 at 11:34:02 PM

[up] ...My family actually has a few of those things. Not the vibrators of course...I think...

edited 3rd Mar '17 11:34:58 PM by M84

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#3769: Mar 4th 2017 at 12:25:46 AM

[up]Ah. But, the exercise bikes, mats, treadmills... that lot? Betcha mats have happened.

I'm not counting the humdrum stationary sets, coordinated duvet covers and futon mattresses, horrible shovelware, worse manga or plushies, here — boringly normal stuff. wink

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#3770: Mar 11th 2017 at 3:50:36 AM

A funny thing about the language, if they're not required, how come pronouns like "watashi," and "ore" exist?

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#3771: Mar 11th 2017 at 4:04:39 AM

Spoken language can differ vastly from the codified one.

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#3772: Mar 11th 2017 at 4:22:12 AM

[up] Okay, but if they still exist, when do you use the pronouns?

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#3773: Mar 11th 2017 at 4:38:10 AM

When you specifically point to yourself or if you want to be more formal and use a more strictly grammatical way of speaking. That's what personal pronouns are for. It works the same way in every language.

Honestly your question is a bit...strange. When people speak informally they don't often pay attention to how they say things. But in a formal situation, writing or speeches you keep to rules and standards.

edited 11th Mar '17 4:51:19 AM by TerminusEst

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#3774: Mar 11th 2017 at 7:29:44 AM

‘Japandemonium Illustrated: The Yokai Encyclopedias of Toriyama Sekien’: Excavating Edo’s ancient memes with the power of ‘yokai’

Beginning with 2008’s “Yokai Attack!,” translators Hiroko Yoda and Matt Alt have been on a quest to bring an aspect of Japanese culture that has lurked in the shadows to the world at large.

Yōkai, the ghouls, goblins, specters and sprites of Japanese folklore, are shape-shifters, each with a unique modus operandi: Some make it their business to blow out lanterns on moonless nights, while others might manifest as floating balls of flame. Yōkai have been kept alive, so to speak, in the modern era by the works of manga artist Shigeru Mizuki, and more recently by the “Yokai Watch” franchise of video games, manga and animation.

With their latest effort, Yoda and Alt have produced the first-ever annotated English translation of a late 18th-century illustrated yōkai compendium that is at once the undisputed cornerstone of the subject and a kind of Rosetta stone for the broader cultural milieu of its time.

“Japandemonium Illustrated: The Yokai Encyclopedias of Toriyama Sekien” collects four volumes inked between 1776 and 1784 by Toriyama Sekien, an influential genius, largely unheralded in Western scholarship, whose students went on to lead the vanguard of Japanese art.

On their surface, the books are a parade of otherworldly creatures and phenomena, such as the “Hihi,” a fierce mountain-dwelling beast that preys on apex predators, or “Shinkiro,” a name given to a mirage seen over the ocean’s horizon. Each page features Sekien’s rendering of a given yōkai and a translation of his text where it appears, while translators’ notes provide crucial context. Each book in the collection also features fascinating introductions by Sekien and his contemporaries.

It quickly becomes clear that this is much more than a mere catalog of the paranormal. Sekien’s words and images teem with what were then contemporary cultural references spanning the Chinese classics, Buddhist scripture, noh plays, poetry, and a palette of folk sayings and idioms, all of which are subject to his unique brand of wordplay, posing a challenge for the translators.

“Japanese is a highly contextual language to begin with, but these books are super-contextual. Contextual on steroids. And they were written by and for extremely literate urbanites,” says Alt.

As the pair worked, it dawned on them that Sekien’s encyclopedias were largely misunderstood in the West as demonology. “The fact is, it’s not,” Alt says. “What it really is, is more like literary parody or literary homage, and it was intended as entertainment for people back then. They would read it in the same way that people today would read a New Yorker cartoon. … Some of the most moving and touching moments of us working on this were when we basically reassembled a joke that we knew nobody had laughed at in 200 years.”

The translation process took about one year and saw Yoda and Alt travel the globe consulting scholars and sources to crack what Yoda calls the “Sekien code.” Yoda says she understood the enormity and importance of the undertaking early on, and felt both daunted and thrilled by it. “When we were pitching the book ‘Yokai Attack!” I knew that all this stuff, now it’s called ‘Cool Japan,’ but all this stuff went abroad, except for the yōkai concept. Nobody outside Japan knew yōkai,” she recalls. “I kind of knew this was (really) something. If you like yōkai, this is it.”

“In a very real sense the book is a time capsule of 1770s Edo,” Alt says, using the old name for Tokyo. “All of these things that were happening, all of the books that were being read, all of these different news stories and events and people — it’s like a window back 240 years into what made Edo and Edoites tick. And that’s what makes Sekien’s books fine literature.”

The pair hope that by delivering Sekien into English, other translators will be inspired to put him into new languages. “We would love to see Sekien get his due after all these centuries,” Alt says, pointing out that Utagawa Hiroshige and Kitagawa Utamaro, both students of Sekien, went on to change the art world. “Van Gogh and people like that would see Utamaro’s illustrations of geisha and kabuki performers. It literally changed the direction of Western art, and Sekien is definitely a pivotal character in that transformation,” he says.

Being rather large, “Japandemonium” is the kind of book best poured over slowly, preferably at home. The often intricate images have room to breathe and the text is trim, making it a genuine page-turner. It’s the kind of book that, opened to a random point, will always present some hitherto unnoticed detail, and in the manner of the best entertainment, it can be enjoyed by children and scholars alike for vastly different reasons.

In a 2005 interview with The Japan Times, manga artist Mizuki, who was born in 1922 and took yōkai quite seriously, mused that electric lights were the cause of their disappearance. “The darkness, with a touch of light like that of paper lanterns and oil lamps, was great for yōkai, and it inspired people to imagine yōkai,” he said. With “Japandemonium,” Yoda and Alt have done more than their bit to keep yōkai alive, in part because, illuminating though it is, the book still retains a good deal of shadow.

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#3775: Mar 16th 2017 at 8:35:12 AM

@HallowHawk: I don't really have the linguistic background to explain it properly, but basically, don't hold Japanese to the same grammatical standards as English. Japanese allows for a lot more omission and inference than English does - while it would sound weird to say, for instance, '(I) Brought donuts' when you come into your office in the morning, you wouldn't want to say '私はコーヒー持ってきました' (watashi wa kohi wo mottekimashita) in a similar circumstance, because there's no point in emphasizing that you did it. Japanese allows a single verb to be a grammatically correct sentence; it just involves more context clues.

Anyway, there are circumstances in which having personal pronouns are unavoidable, really. How would you respond to someone asking whose bike that is if you couldn't say it was yours?

If you're asking more about why the various personal pronouns themselves exist, that's a post for a different time.

[up]That's really cool. I've heard that there is a serious consideration that electronics and stuff can't become tsukumogami, not only because they break way too easily, but because electronics repel tsukumogami or things like that. I haven't been able to find an actual folklore source on that though.

edited 16th Mar '17 8:41:10 AM by RedSavant

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