Gotham

I say, Fish turned out to be a lot more heroic than I expected.

I don't see either Maroni or Falcone biting the dust just yet. I mean, maybe at the end of the show, if it goes far enough, one can see Falcone dying as the fall of the old order, but Sal needs to be around to scar Dent into Two-Face, yes?

I assume they're going for broad strokes. The important part is that Dent is scarred, not that one specific person do the deed.

edited 30th Apr '15 11:42:08 AM by Anteres

Yeah, if both Maroni and Falcone survive, I would be surprised and a little disappointed too.

The season finale should pull a Dollhouse and skip forward 15 years and show us a day in the life of Gotham PD while Batman's active. It'd be the hypest ending to the season ever.

...I think they should save that for the end of the show.

Maybe skip 15 years to show Gordon in a worse position than he started, a Call-Forward to the seemingly inevitable It Got Worse.

Finally saw the last couple of episodes. Thoughts:

Good god, "The Ogre" was boring. Why they couldn't have saved that name for a more interesting bad guy, I don't know. "Bluebeard" would have been a better name for him.

Barbara continues to be useless. People can talk all they want about how she was kidnapped, and it's not her fault, but this is yet another case of her failing to be anything beyond a conflict generator, and frankly, an awful person. She could have sent The Ogre after Falcone or Zsasz, both of whom she has previously claimed to be terrified of. She picked her mom and dad. She can go to hell. Her presence made the episodes worse, because not only do I not care about The Ogre as a villain, but I don't care about her as a victim. We can now add "easily seduced and brainwashed by a serial killer" to the list of reasons why Jim should never take her back.

Bruce & Selina's subplot? Great. The interrogation in 19, the undercover op at the ball in 20, the attempted covert infiltration in 21, we are watching a pair of legends in the making.

Riddler's first kill was good, and watching him dispose of the body was as well.

Finally, Penguin was, as ever, the best part of the show. His scheme's great, and I can't wait to see the outcome, whether it succeeds admirably, or falls down around his ears.

Oh yeah, Penguin's stepping into his own. He'll fatten up and be wearing a top hat in no time.

And at some point he'll have the idea to put a machine gun and helicopter blades into an umbrella.

Ambar Son Of Deshar, you are a wise man. Jim was better off forgetting Barbara, and nothing will convince me otherwise. I swear, it's like the writers want us to hate her.

Iris finally caught on to Barry being the Flash, so I officially declared Babara the Lana Lang of Gotham.

edited 1st May '15 9:19:07 AM by HandsomeRob

Still holding to my theory that Barbara will be this shows Harley to whoever turns out to be the Joker. Her fuckedupness by the end of this episode only firms up that belief.

Harley has massive athletic skills. Barb has zilch.

Eh. She just needs to practice.

Hopefully, she'll break a few limbs while doing it.

Let me know if that was going too far.

How could it be going too far? You're asking for horrible things to happen to the character, not wishing ill-will on her actress (who frankly, has got to be wondering why she ever took this gig).

IIRC Harly gets a super serum in the animated series (where, coincidentally enough, she was introduced).

I don't think this show is above giving someone a super serum.

...so long as Gordon doesn't lose his memory and Leslie doesn't become a BadAss super-cop in his place, I can accept that.

Harley got a super-serum in the comics. In BTAS, the serum just makes her immune to poisons.

edited 2nd May '15 1:34:49 AM by KnownUnknown

I haven't seen this show in forever, but I saw some footage of the filming for the season finale going on on my local FOX affiliate. Why the heck are Leslie and Barbara fighting each other???

Because Barbara is jealous Leslie that is the best girl?

Cause Barbara is stupid.

Right, at this point, I can't deny that I'm biased.

I don't think it's biased to say that Barbara is stupid. That's an objective fact.

But one thing that I don't get is whether Barbara's status as The Scrappy is intentional. Do the writers really want the audience to dislike her that much, or were they going for something else?

Hard to tell with Writers.

We all know that often, what they intend and how audiences react can be totally different.

I think they want us to hate her. Or at least they know we hate her. There was that little exchange she had with Selena earlier in the season where Selena basically told her to shove it when she was talking about how being slutty wraps men around your fingers.

Yeah, I don't get the feeling that the writers have much fondness for Barbara. My best guess would be because they're going to set her up as a villain. My first guess was that they were going to have her captured and tortured/put through some dark stuff to show how serious the season-finale villain was, but that's more or less what the Ogre did and doesn't seem to have had extremely dire consequences.

Actually, I quite like Barbara, when she's with Selena and Ivy. It's just when her whole Jim-issue comes up, I get bored.

edited 2nd May '15 12:41:44 PM by Anteres

I think they want us to hate her, so they can eventually make us not hate her. I don't see her being a villain.

That second part is gonna be difficult, but it is possible.

Look at Donna Noble.

Well, whatever the case, I'll keep ripping on her.

edited 2nd May '15 4:36:58 PM by HandsomeRob