Ukraine protests: Thousands march through capital
- over 100,000 by some counts
Ukrainian protesters besiege government building
Clashes amid huge Ukraine protest against U-turn on EU
Over 300,000 defy protest ban in Ukraine- "Fierce clashes erupt after protesters take to streets again, chanting "revolution" as anger against government grows."
What started as a protest against the decision not to sign an agreement with the EU seems to have escalated into a "Color Revolution" or "Arab Spring" style movement to force the government to resign. By some reports, the police are using violent tactics to suppress the street protests.
The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country. The current regime of President Viktor Yanukovich is part of that camp. The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society.
EDIT (2/24/2022)
This thread was originally opened in 2013 during the beginning of the revolt in Ukraine that eventually over-threw the dictatorship of the Yanukovyich regime and instituted democratic elections soon afterward. As of this writing, in the aftermath of the Russian invasion that began on 2/23, it is not clear whether or for how long Ukraine will continue to exist as an independent country.
Statements made nine years ago still seem relevant: "The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country... The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society." Some people have expressed the view that the confrontation between Russia and Ukraine, beginning in 2014, never really ended.
The invasion is also a result of certain grievances proclaimed by Vladimir Putin, the current President of Russia, and used by him as justification for armed attack and occupation. Western governments, and others around the world, have joined together in condemnation of this attack.
While we do not know what the ultimate outcome of these events will be, this thread will continue to be made available as a place to record news, ask questions and express opinions about the "Crisis in Ukraine."
This map will help track the latest developments.
Do not post anything about the Ukrainian military movement and strategy. This could actually result in casualties.
No discussion regarding nuclear war. As nuclear weapons are not being used by either side, nuclear war is off-topic.
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Edited by Tabs on Mar 20th 2022 at 4:26:26 AM
Reports I'm hearing mention a supposed attack on the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant. Russia/Ukraine blame each other.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 7, 2024
- Ukraine expects Russia to ramp up offensive operations in near future.
- China seems to be incresingly helping Russian military industry and even providing intelligence acccording to western officials.
- Ukranian commander in chief is taking action on reports that SBU intimidated journalists.
- Russia made gains.
- Chieftain of All Russian claimed that 30k cossack have fought in Ukraine.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 8, 2024
- Reportedly Ukrainian strikes on oil refineries are forcing Russia to import from Kazachstan.
- Ukraine indirectly suggested that they are responsible for an attack that destroyed a small missile carrier from the Baltic fleet.
- Governor of pro-Russian Moldovan region suggested that Romania controls Moldovan government.
- Russia made gains.
News came in that the Borisoglebsk Aviation Training Center was attacked, courtesy of the GUR by (supposedly) drones.
https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/russia-s-borisoglebsk-aviation-training-center-1712647716.html
Got news that Ukrainians made an attack on Kaliningrad.
Sorry for triple post:
Spotted photos of Indian/Africans recruited to fight under Russian command.
Edited by Ominae on Apr 9th 2024 at 8:55:23 AM
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Kaliningrad? The Russian exclave between Poland and Lithuania and formerly known as Konigsberg and not actually bordering Ukraine?
Got some sources on that?
The Wanderer
Radio Free Europe report on the Kaliningrad attack
Video of Russian drone operator watching a Black Hawk insert fire teams somewhere in Belgorod. Likely from the GUR.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 9, 2024
- US transferred ammo seized from Iranian Revolutionary Guard to Ukraine.
- Ukraine attacked an airbase in Voronezh.
- Russia is creating a ministry for Youth Affairs for propaganda purposes.
- Russian military authorities in Armenia arrested a Russian citizen in Armenia. This is illegal and challenges Armenian security.
- Russia made gains.
Oh, bother.
"ministry for Youth Affairs"
I see Putin wants his own Red Guard.
...I felt like referencing something besides the obvious choice of Hitler Youth.
Edited by M84 on Apr 10th 2024 at 4:59:04 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/9/7450487/
Ukrainian Pravda mentioned that no Russians were sighed in and outside Chasiv Yar.
Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Apr 10th 2024 at 12:22:34 PM
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.
Null area of sighting…
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I just commented on literal mathemathics of the phrasing.
Edited by Smeagol17 on Apr 10th 2024 at 4:43:53 PM
Oh, bother.
???
The report just states that there are no Russian troops in the city or on its outskirts. Not sure why that's so hard to believe.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Been hearing some peeps report claims that Russian troops are almost near Chasiv Yar via Telegram.
Otherwise, I do hear reports from places that they're attacking the outskirts... Not sure if it's true. I need to check.
https://new.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1c0qyno/ama_aiden_aslin_aka_cossackgundi_defender_of/
Aiden Aslin aka Cossack Gundi, the ex-Ukrainian marine who fought in Mariupol, has an AMA on reddit.
Although as of this post, he's yet to answer any AMA questions.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 10, 2024
- Ukraine adopted a law allowing for conscription of convicts and increased penalities for draft-evasion.
- Russia rejects invitaion to peace summit organised by switzerland, but at the same time claims that discussions about Ukraine without Russia are pointless.
- Russia tried to downplay tensions in its relations with Armenia.
- Russia made gains.
Ukraine is also considering extending conscription to women, but Zelensky has already indicated he will not sign such a law even if parliament passes it.
Edited by amitakartok on Apr 11th 2024 at 9:31:40 PM
In the name of being honest
Times Radio interview where Michael Clarke spoke (partly) on the use of the FAB-500-type glide bombs that were used to harass Ukrainian troops in Avdiivka.
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 11, 2024
- Latvia and Ukraine signed a security agreement.
- Russia made gains.
- Russian attacks are damaging Ukraine's energy infrastructure.
- Ukraine wants Patriot batteries.
- NATO is doing exercises and preparations in order to deter Russia.
The Telegraph mentions that the Russian military is slowly learning from its difficulties in the war in Ukraine.
They got their own ministry of silly walks.
"I shudder to think what would happen if the Russians got a hold of an M1 Abrams..."
I doubt Russians can reverse-engineer it. Both sides can annihilate each other's armor anyway.