Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Actually it seen Doomsday was plan B) after Batman stole the kryptonie, by the moment Super come to him in the ship he lose his Marbels and into full "IM GOING TO KILL YOU SUPERMAN!"

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Yeah, Doomsday is plan b, but both it and plan a were about killing Superman after disgracing him.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

But neither plan worked to disgrace him. So killing him would have been pointless. I mean, he does kill him, but his plan doesn't work.

I mean, compare that with Zemo's plan in Civil War, nobody dies at all, but his plan still succeeds.

The plan is 'Have Supes kill batman validating my belief that in the end he'll be willing to do something terrible if enough is on the line. Have Doomsday kill Kent. Now he's dead and everybody will see the true ugly nature of these beings. '

To be clear, the "Communion" scene is not Lex actually communicating with Steppenwolf. Lex was accessing the Kryptonian database and it was showing a holographic image of the character. When it dissipates it is the same as the liquid metal imaging from Man of Steel. We saw earlier in Cyborg's cameo that a Mother Box is in the possession of Star Labs, so it's not a hard leap to assume Lex knows about it too and figured the database might be able to answer some questions. It shows him images of Apokalips and he breaks a little inside.

Lex presumably figured if he can't disgrace Superman then kill him, he'd settle for just killing him. Sure he wouldn't score his philosophical victory but he'd still have killed this godlike being. That's not his first choice but he'd take it if Plan A didn't work out.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."

I assumed it was, because Lex later states that they are coming. If he wasn't in communication with them, how would he know? You are assuming that he wasn't communicating with them.

"But neither plan worked to disgrace him. So killing him would have been pointless. I mean, he does kill him, but his plan doesn't work. "

his first plan almost work as he push super into retirement, now all it take is him murdering Batman and them and them be kill by kryptonia, but event move here and there into using doomsday

And Zemo plan work more for the acords than him actually

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

You don't have to have a one-on-one conversation with someone to know their destination. Maybe the scout ship showed him Darkseid's twitter feed.

Less jokingly, rumors about Justice League say that Apokalips came to Earth anciently and were dispelled by Atlantis and the Amazons, and the Mother Boxes were left behind. The database says the Mother Boxes are religious icons and that Apokalips will come back to get them. Or it may just be that the Mother Boxes were dormant for a long time and are now turning on, and that's a bad sign. All that matters is that Lex has information, and information can be gained in different ways.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

The extended cut actually is better, mostly because the editing is a little bit less choppy (it still has issues, though), and Superman's dislike of Batman now actually makes sense. And they show him pulling out injured people after the explosion! (so much for "there was no one to save").

But: The Africa scene makes barely more sense, you could still cut out Louis whole arc without loosing anything of importance, Lex's motivation still makes barely any sense (his actions a little bit more).

I would say the movie graduated from being an utterly confusing and unwatchable mess to being a very, very boring overblown movie which just reaches mediocrity.

Lol, okay.

1. You can't cut out Lois' arc because she's the one exposing Luthor's machinations.

2. How does the Africa scene not make sense?

3. Luthors motivations, even in the theatrical cut, are clear as day.

edited 28th Jun '16 8:21:47 AM by Cruherrx

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

Sure you can. In the theatrical cut, she doesn't expose anything in fact. So her subplot is pointless.

Without the additional scenes in the Ultimate cut, the reason for why people blame Superman is murky and undefined. Why are people blaming him for their own government killing them? Because something about warlords? And why is there a Senate hearing over something that happened in an African country that didn't involve anyone from America?

Only if you believe "he's crazy" is a motivation.

As I explained beforehand, Louis figuring out what Lex is up to is to no-ones benefit. If I had done the theatrical cut, I would have left out all the investigation into the bullet, but left in her discovering that the wheelchair was full of lead, because that was actually an important revelation. That Lex is behind everything isn't, because the audience knows this and Lex reveals himself before Louis can do it for him. (on a side-note, everyone and their dog noting how ballsy Louis is got really, really annoying in the extended cut, that's not how you write a good female character).

I still don't understand why Superman is supposed to be guilty when those people clearly got shot before he even arrived at the scene. In the longer cut it is at least clear what actually happened, but I still don't get the leap that some US senator would keep investigating an incident and why exactly Superman is to blame.

In the longer cut Luther's plans are a little bit clearer, but why he is doing what he does isn't. I can make the leap of him wanting to pit Batman v Superman somewhat but not the leap to creating a giant monster other than "just because".

edited 28th Jun '16 8:46:24 AM by Swanpride

'Would you have wanted a solo Superman and Batman movie before this ?'

Superman ? Sure. But Batman I prefer leaving his past shrouded in some mystery, which gives the sense that he's become what he is from continuous suffering over 20 years rather than a single event. But even with Superman they'd have to come up with a very different plot since 'Two years in, world still divided' would feel weird.

You mean aside from the American reporter, the CIA agent and the alien from America?

How powerful are angels in the Christian worldview? Because as a Christian, I believe that there are powerful spirits out there that thankfully don't engage in any city destroying battles What's potentially more scary? Angels or Superman(ignoring the fact that a fictional character can't be a threat to us)?

Angels. They're just drones. Superman will at least think about what he's doing.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."

Nobody except Lois knows about the CIA agent (the CIA kept it under wraps) and neither Lois nor Superman were actively involved in the massacre.

They were, however, present in the country were said massacre happened.

edited 28th Jun '16 9:07:38 AM by windleopard

Which means a Senate hearing had to called for it? Then why wasn't Lois called to the Senate? She was there. She could have told them exactly what Superman had done or not done.

Taking control of international incidents even if they're not strictly the ones to do so is... kind of Murrica's thing.

Besides this was a hearing about the issue of SUPERMAN. The Africa thing is one part of it.

But the Africa thing was the cause of it. It was pretty much the only thing we were shown the hearing was about.

All right where exactly can I get this bad boy ?

I got mine on the microsoft store. They're doing a deal where you can buy the ultimate cut and get the theatrical cut for free.

Why would anyone even want the theatrical cut lol

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."