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Sijo from Puerto Rico Since: Jan, 2001
#51: Aug 31st 2013 at 5:53:51 PM

[up][up][up][up]Nope, both characters are Katherine Kane- they just have different nicknames (Kathy, Kate). Admittedly the new one is very different from the original, and may have been intended as a lesbian from the start, but even in that case it's STILL a reboot of an existing character concept: Batwoman. And as silly as the original might have been, at least she was more unique compared to the modern one who is basically just Batman with tits. Why they felt they needed to create such a character when the Batman mythos already had a great lesbian character (det. Montoya, who herself was forced into another male hero's role -The Question's- is anybody's guess.) The whole affair was handled poorly in my opinion.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#52: Aug 31st 2013 at 7:01:47 PM

To boot, Morrison brought the original back too, so right now they are coexisting in the same universe.

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#53: Aug 31st 2013 at 7:11:19 PM

What hasn't Morrison brought back?

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
Yongary NO PLACE TO HIDE from Alaska Since: Jul, 2009
NO PLACE TO HIDE
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
#56: Sep 1st 2013 at 2:53:14 PM

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I thought Montoya becoming a lesbian was something they added to her much later, when she became the Question. You know, like how they made the "big reveal" that the original Green Lantern was gay?

Not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm legitimately curious because I thought Montoya becoming the Question was cool, but I've never followed any major DC storylines beyond Wikipedia.

edited 1st Sep '13 2:54:06 PM by FOFD

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).
SKJAM Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#57: Sep 1st 2013 at 9:15:27 PM

Montoya being "outed" (or retconned) took place in the Gotham Central series. The scenes we'd seen of her dating men in earlier books were explained as "in the closet due to parents."

Her becoming the Question was considerably later in the 52 series. That series also retconned her as having been Kate Kane's lover at some point never shown on panel.

edited 1st Sep '13 9:16:53 PM by SKJAM

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#58: Sep 3rd 2013 at 9:06:33 AM

So when is this supposed to be released?

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
Eagal This is a title. from This is a location. Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
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#59: Sep 3rd 2013 at 12:54:03 PM

Some time next year.

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Stratofarius huzzaaaaaaaah Since: Aug, 2011
huzzaaaaaaaah
#61: Oct 8th 2013 at 1:05:16 PM

Wow, they sure all look...

... buff.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#62: Oct 8th 2013 at 3:04:17 PM

Batman's head sure is tiny.

kalel94 Rascal King from Dragonstone Since: Feb, 2011
Rascal King
#63: Oct 8th 2013 at 3:05:59 PM

Holy fuck, that looks silly.

The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.
Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#64: Oct 8th 2013 at 4:05:25 PM

Is batman wearing an old timey cast iron stove under his costume or something?

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#65: Oct 8th 2013 at 7:33:10 PM

I think he must have gotten dosed by some venom last fight with Bane.

Eagal This is a title. from This is a location. Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
This is a title.
#66: Oct 9th 2013 at 7:46:16 AM

Eh. Supes and GL I don't really mind. It's Batman that looks the most ridiculous.

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
Sijo from Puerto Rico Since: Jan, 2001
#67: Oct 9th 2013 at 9:34:42 AM

It's all that New52 crap. It's seeping out of the comics and into the movies and cartoons (Man Of Steel and now this.) Sigh.

edited 9th Oct '13 9:35:02 AM by Sijo

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#68: Oct 9th 2013 at 9:36:46 AM

I think the effects of Timm leaving are starting to show up, too.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#69: Oct 9th 2013 at 1:48:47 PM

Honestly, this is what I always hated about comics art styles. I get that the characters are suppose to be "idealized humans", but they need more than one body frame. This is one area that Marvel actually does beat DC in as far as character designs go (though they're both guilty of only having one body type for females.)

edited 9th Oct '13 1:49:57 PM by Lionheart0

crimsonstorm15 shine on from A parallel universe Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#71: Oct 9th 2013 at 2:58:34 PM

[up] New 52 Superman's armor design is usually drawn with a smaller S. It's sculpted that way on his action figure, as well.

Vertigo_High Touch The Sky Since: May, 2010
Touch The Sky
#72: Oct 12th 2013 at 12:44:06 AM

At least Supes looks better than he did in Vs the Elite. He looked so dumb there.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#73: Oct 12th 2013 at 7:38:04 AM

Or the ridiculous design of his face in Superman Doomsday.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#75: Oct 14th 2013 at 7:59:54 PM

I thought they said they weren't doing any more adaptations. Can we finally get The Killing Joke?


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