Disney/Pixar In General

nobody gets fired unless something SUPER sensitive is leaked,like personal information or something super top secret

as it was the leaks were a bunch of unseen pilots and show bibles

These things have been nearly up for a whole day now, which is kind of surprising to me.

Although... Pretty sure someone is gonna get in trouble over these. Or already has. Maybe not to the point of fired, but things like these don't just happen and odds are the guy who leaked it definitely didn't get permission from DTVA.

EDIT: Seems like most of the pilots got deleted. A few are still up though. Let's hope somebody archived them all!

Edited by Shoobedobah on Apr 26th 2024 at 5:09:45 AM

Not to double post, but I guess a few pitch bibles also got leaked.. including Angone's original take for the Darkwing Duck reboot! This one was connected to the 2017 Ducktales show. Still no word on whatever the heck is going on with Seth Rogen's version...

it annoyed me to read the comments, the bible wasn't bad at all and they people in four chan act as if was unquestionably terrible somehow, it's like people in fourchan know no other way to respond to things other than by acting like assholes.

I don't think you should care what the people on 4chan think

that's good advice.

I mean, I read through the bible and there's a lot of little red flags in it that make me glad it never came to fruition.

Particularly the part where they refer to the original Drake and Gosalyn's relationship as "rote 90's father & daughter" fare. In general, in the rather disparaging way they refer to the character, I get the impression either Angones or whoever wrote the bible didn't actually care for original Gosalyn much. Which immediately hits as a problem, because it's a not-uncommon perception that that relationship is what made that series as beloved as it was.

In general, there's a strong sense of "this original stuff is meh, but we're going to improve it" throughout that pitch that - tbh - people are kind of used to seeing preceding reboots that aren't very good, so I can't fault people for looking at it and having an "oof" reaction.

Anywho, ran into this video of Alan Tudyk going over some of his classic lines. While there's mostly non-Disney stuff in there, he talks about how he first got the job as King Candy:

He wasn't actually the first choice to play the character, but ended up in the role when the person meant to play the role dropped out. He came in last minute, killed it, made a good impression on John Lassiter and has been in nearly every Disney movie since.

(It's a story that actually reminds me quite a bit of Mark Hamill's path to playing The Joker).

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 27th 2024 at 3:58:51 AM

That pitch doesn't line up continuity wise with Duck Tales 2017. Quackerjack, Liquidator, Bushroot, Megavolt, all seem to be 'real' (with Megavolt even having a son) while they were TV characters from another dimension in Duck Tales.

The impression it gives is that it was written before DT 17 actually introduced Darkwing, if not even before DT 17 existed— for instance, it looks like Mark Beaks was originally intended to be a Darkwing villain.

Herb as a police inspector who hunts for Darkwing while trying to be a very good friend to Drake sounds like a neat idea.

Megavolt having a son at all is so weird because of all Darkwing villains it looks like Megavolt is the last one who would have a son or a daughter. Liquidator, that can be easily explained, it's just a child he had before falling in the chemicals, Bushroot would likely just make his own children from pods, even Quackerjack is feasible as he had a love interest in the comics, but Megavolt is too detached from reality.

Otherwise it's pretty much the same Duck Tales 17 already did with them.

I love the Itano Circus on Ducktales 2017 but I was always left with the "WE DID THIS SHOW A FAVOR BY REBOOTING IT. It was old crap before!" feel that I could not shake off, so I never really tried to watch it.

Edited by AegisP on Apr 27th 2024 at 6:24:28 AM

Admitedly, doesn't pretty much everyone who runs a reboot try to make it better than the original? Like, what do the creative teams behind shows like My Little Pony Friendship is Magic, She Ra 2018, Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated, Be Cool Scooby Doo, Tiny Toons Looniversity, Animaniacs 2020, Jellystone, TMNT 2012, and Rise of the TMNT say regarding rebooting the established property? I'm sure they'd also bring up the idea of enhancing the original like Angones and Youngberg, so that is just how things are for anyone who's pitching or running a reboot.

No, At least in the seasons I watched, MLP FIM never did "That old show was SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!" I think they did later on, I dont know.

EDIT: What I mean is that the comtempt for the original is not kept to backstage, its text in the reboot itself.

Edited by AegisP on Apr 27th 2024 at 8:37:53 AM

they never said straight up than the old show was bad and either way you don't need to love the previous version neccesarely to do a good version yourself, Tim burton is not a batman or comic book fan, he still made a fan favorite version of batman, that by itself is no "proof" that a reboot would be bad, either way the most fair thing to do is to give something the benefit of the doubt before you judge it.

You are not getting me, if your rebooted show show is brilliant ,good, but if the show outright attacks the original, it BETTER REALLY BE that the reboot is brilliant or I will put much more scrutiny than if you didnt.

I don't feel like they were attacking it at all, I feel you're just taking their diferention from the original to their version way harder that they probably intended.

On a lighter note, I had this funny idea. :) Even though Rapunzel provides the page image for Mood-Swinger, I think that trope was introduced to me by a different Disney character: the Genie.

(still mad about his argument with Aladdin from earlier) You know, Al, I'm getting really (sees Jafar; puts on an "Oh, Crap!" Smile) I don't think you're him. (professionally) Tonight, the part of Al will be played by a tall, dark, and sinister ugly man.

well most of his jokes were improvised by robin williams, who was just as animated as a cartoon in real life so it makes sense.

Ducktales 2017 never attacked the original 1987 show at all.

If there's any reboot that actively bashes on the original show, it's Teen Titans Go, not Ducktales 2017.

To be honest, I dont actually hate Ducktales 2017 and I just based my current bitterness, on that comment about Gossalyn and some comments I've heard from other people about the show. To be honest, I have to admit I have not seen Ducktales 2017, heck I havent even seen the original. But as much as ANYTHING should be improving overtime, I think SOME respect should be given to the original. Heck Thundercats Roar is awesome in my opinion. Gruuuuuuuuuuuuuuune. Gruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuune! GRUNE THE DESTROYER! The only "The Original Thundercats Sucks" thing was from an episode of Teen Titans Go.

As someone who has watched both shows, I can say that Ducktales 2017 was not disrespectful to the original.

The only reboot I can think of in recent memory that seemed to actively try to dunk on the original show it was based on was the scrapped live-action Powerpuff Girls reboot for CW. Based on the script for the pilot that leaked out, you'd have thought the writers for it had nothing but contempt for the original 1998 show.

DuckTales '17 certainly never did anything like that, and I don't think TTG!'s teasing of the '03 Teen Titans was even intended to be genuinely malicious (I figure it was probably Trolling Creator at worst).

Edited by kablammin45 on Apr 27th 2024 at 11:33:06 AM

I once heard that the new She-ra show made fun of the old one in an episode, but I'll need to look into that.

Let's not forget TTG had the same voice actors as the 2003 Teen Titans show. Does anyone really think they would have been on-bard with dunking on their old show?

I actually watched both shows too. And while TTG did dunk on a lot of things, it didn't really dunk on the 2003 show.

Edited by M84 on Apr 28th 2024 at 2:43:23 AM

I do think Ducktales 2017 had a tendency to be fairly dismissive, if not occasionally disdainful, of the genre of the original, at the very least. 2017 was a show that at times came off as not being very interested in the adventure genre while being forced to write adventure genre characters.

And, just to play devil's advocate about it, you could make the case that whenever 2017 directly references the original those comparisons tend to be fairly unflattering. It never got as bad as, like, the Talespin stuff, but the kind of language we see in the Darkwing pilot does raise the question of if a lot of that stuff in 2017 actually was all in good fun like we all initially assumed.

Ducktales 2017 basically examined the whole idea of taking kids along for dangerous adventures.

That's why the overall Big Bad of the series turned out to be a guy who was traumatized by a childhood of being dragged into dangerous adventures.

And there's a decent argument to be made that focusing on that undercuts what makes the concept of the IP work in the first place.

Like, it's an interesting idea for an individual installment, but deconstructions have their drawbacks. I wouldn't want Duck works to keep having that approach, and it looks like the plan was to keep doing it for Darkwing.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 28th 2024 at 12:01:44 PM