Disney/Pixar In General

I can't think of a single franchise or genre that has been dormant for decades because of a failed film.

I do remember when people were making a big deal out of how superhero movies were "dead" after Batman and Robin, only for Spider-Man to come out two years later and turn out to have no issues reaching the audiences whatsoever, since it turns out people like superheroes and had already forgotten about Batman and Robin.

The truth is, due to being mostly urban crime or terrorist dramas dolled up with idealism and escapism, superhero media isn't really in any danger of falling out of relatability with a modern audience. And that relatability is the primary reason you see genres "die."

Compare westerns. The classic western eventually became completely distant from the ethics of modern America, followed by the second punch of them also being racially and ethically backwards as well, and the classic Western effectively died - the genre eventually had to be reborn with more modern crime/drama that doesn't generally resemble older westerns much in order to survive, because it needed to change to still be marketable to the modern audience.

That's the kind of thing that can kill genres. Otherwise, once a good movie comes out it basically invalidates all the poor will of a previous film. General audiences don't really care unless the movie is good.

I don't recall any numbers adding up such that Marvel films lost money immediately following failed DC films.

In fact, despite what you're claiming, most of Phase 4 has been financially successful. Divisive with the fanbase sometimes, sure, but that sure as hell didn't keep them from making money. Which is kind of my point.

People can claim Guardians is the "exception" and the only successful Phase 4 film all they want, but reality doesn't actually agree with them. Phase 4 has been fine. At worst, it's been poor only in the sense that a lucrative success is not as much a lucrative success as the other lucrative success, and even then only occasionally.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 28th 2024 at 6:19:47 AM

'This movie failed because there wasn't enough publicity' itself is the biggest guess in this kind of game, because at which point it can be told that the publicity was 'enough' or not? How do you measure numbers on 'well, I heard about this movie' among everyone? Do you take a poll for every movie that comes out and that poll applies to how many? Do you take a sweeping accurate survey on how many people remembered hearing about this thing? How many times do any of us need being told about the movie to be interested on it?

I mean, yeah, Youtube views, but that's still one of many ways one can hear about a movie or not. And even those still don't always line up with what a movie will end up making or not.

It's too general a statement to work as a good general rule of thumb for a movie's failure, especially in the Internet era where information about pretty much anything is much more widespread.

Nope. What I'm doing is relating information from studies and analysis that came after the strike, as I've done the research - if you disagree with that research, sure, but I certainly didn't make up anything. It's not really difficult to find the information I'm talking about, either. I looked for ten minutes and I found [https://deadline.com/2023/10/actors-strike-movie-industry-impact-100-days-1235578390/ articles]], studies, etc.

It's also why I keep referring to how other films also were affected, like Mission Impossible, Aquaman, etc, because those are examples - ones people looked at when making those studies.

Examples and actual references keep assertions from being complete guesses.

"DC films failing is causing Marvel films to fail" is, however, a total guess. Like I said, I don't recall any numbers whatsoever corroborating an assertion like that.

If you do have numbers, please share them.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 28th 2024 at 6:26:50 AM

Regarding Disney's numbers, they have been accused of lying about them, but to each their own on if they choose to believe the mega corporation or not.

Edited by TomWithoutJerry on Mar 28th 2024 at 6:25:46 AM

By who?

Not by any legal body who would be taking action should they be committing fraud, noticeably, so probably not by anyone who actually knows the numbers and knows if they're accurate. Nor by any credible reporting body who would have a goldmine on their hands if they exposed Disney for fudging their numbers.

Heck, we're in a time period where an actual US governmental body is going out of its way to take down Disney in any way it legally can no matter how frivolous. If Disney was being fraudulent about their sale numbers, it would've come up.

I mostly see that accusation coming from randos on Youtube - and largely the kind of people known for making up facts and not factchecking themselves. When faced with the fact that the things they assert don't add up, those sources mostly just declare that everyone but them is lying, taking bribes, whatever, when the truth is they're mostly just making these things up because it gives them attention and thus profit.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 28th 2024 at 6:34:26 AM

Known Unknown, it wasnt Spiderman who resurrected Super Hero/Comic Book movies, it was Blade The Vampire Hunter.

You right, you right.

Circling back to what this was actually about, which is that Peltz belief that female/minority films have to be minimized is bull and a sign he shouldn't be anywhere near Disney's board.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 28th 2024 at 6:42:13 AM

I wish the anti woke crowd realized Blade proved the point audiences dont really mind black heroes.

Blade definitely contributed to saving Marvel, but I'd argue that it didn't spawn the current age of super-hero movies because it doesn't really read like a super-hero movie. I don't think it's success would have made anyone think "Hmm...I'll bet a movie about the X-Men could work, too..."

Self-fulfilling prophecies can be very convincing.

I absolutely hate how X-Men films tried its hardest to make it not look like the cartoon it was supposedly trying to ride on.

Fox even tried to make Wolverine an Alaskan instead of a Canadian.

Hold up, they did? Since when?

The trailer for the Ariel Disney Junior show is up:

They announced a sequel to Freaky Friday with Jamie Lee Curtis and Lindsay Lohan coming back in the Hollywood Reporter.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/freaky-friday-2-lindsay-lohan-jamie-lee-curtis-2-1235863059/

So anyway,about those disney cartoons..

Yes please.

x4 Who was asking for this? I expect it to bomb unless its got a really good idea.

The director worked on Welcome to Chippendales. That interests me.

Its the kind of movie that won't be successful unless the people who've seen the orginal film watch it