Mr. Clueless
I prefer it when Muppets don't acknowledge that they're puppets. In fact, I don't think they ever do.
De Romanīs, lingua Latina gloriosa non fuī.
Making Unicorns Cool Again Since 2010
No, but they do have a lot of Medium Awareness. XD
Princess Aurora is underrated, pass it on.
They do acknowledge being puppets sometimes in interviews and other promotional stuff, but never in the actual series and films.
One of my favorite jokes from a Muppet interview (of which there are very many) is the time Arsenio Hall asked Clifford what he was doing before he joined the Muppet cast. Clifford shot back that he was a sponge.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 26th 2024 at 11:49:15 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
This is going to be so much fun.
I was gonna say make a movie about how Muppets would stay relevant in the current climate, but they sorta kinda did that already.
Death is a companion. We should cherish Death as we cherish Life.
Owl House / Infinity Train / Inside Job Fan
For anyone who is still interested, Deadline says a second advisory firm is backing Peltz in the proxy battle.
The Owl House and Coyote Vs Acme are my Roman Empire.
Half-Kitsune
If I understand correctly…John Lasseter did some unsavory things behind the scenes and that got him fired from Disney in 2019, right?
If you play with fire, you're gonna get burned.
Disasturbator
Half-Kitsune
I’m feeling conflicted on that, because on the one hand, that’s a disgusting thing for any celebrity to do and I wish to avoid making their mistakes.
On the other, not only did he help get Disney back on its feet after the 2000s and their string of failures, I feel like his departure put us back in that spot again.
Not to mention that I love all the movies that he worked on and I’m feeling reluctant to throwing them out of my Blu-Ray library.
I don’t know what I’m trying to say here.
Edited by wooden-ladybug93 on Mar 27th 2024 at 9:32:50 AM
If you play with fire, you're gonna get burned.
This is going to be so much fun.
A lot of the stuff people hated Chapek for were still given OK by Iger technically. And then there's that stint about Iger regarding union.
Death is a companion. We should cherish Death as we cherish Life.
Half-Kitsune
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Who is Chapek?
Owl House / Infinity Train / Inside Job Fan
Yeah, but we gotta remember Perlmutter is… Perlmutter.
A serious control freak who doesn’t see women or minorities as box office draws.
Edited by BigBadShadow25 on Mar 27th 2024 at 10:43:18 AM
The Owl House and Coyote Vs Acme are my Roman Empire.
This is going to be so much fun.
the one Iger replaced
Here is an article from Reuters that has more information:
https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/proxy-advisory-firm-iss-recommends-disney-shareholders-elect-nelson-peltz-board-2024-03-21/
There are 12 seats on the board, I believe all of them are loyal to Iger at the moment. Peltz wants a board seat for himself and a former Disney executive. Another activist investor firm is trying for 3 other seats. So the worst case for Iger would be that he has 5 dissidents on the board. They can't do that much damage, especially since they represent two hedge funds, and are legally obligated to care about money.
Also, however petty Perlmutter is, Peltz has a reputation as an activist investor that works well with the Boards that he targets.
Iger also retired once, so he is probably looking forward to doing it again. So this is probably about the transition.
Owl House / Infinity Train / Inside Job Fan
I remember that other activist firm. My understanding is Iger’s on better terms with that one, I think. He’s more concerned with Peltz.
Possibly, I think that they would work together if Peltz makes it on the board. Peltz has been a gadfly for Iger and the boardseat would allow him more position. Peltz isn't looking to sabotage Disney.
I also don't think that "wokeness" is Peltz's primary concern. It is just his statements on those things get more coverage than other concerns that are more business and less of a hot topic.
Peltz has a website about his vision for Disney. You can read it here:
https://restorethemagic.com/white-paper-03-04-24/
Oh, bother.
If they weren't a concern he wouldn't have said those things.
Just the fact he's complaining about "woke" as if that's actually a thing is a red flag.
Edited by M84 on Mar 27th 2024 at 11:15:27 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
Disasturbator
> Shareholders have suffered greatly, losing tens of billions of dollars in value.
This clip from the incredibles always relevant when it comes to things like this
New theme music also a box
Idea Seeker
Yeah, ry4n, it sounds like either you can't read his dog whistles or are blissfully unaware of what he really wants no matter wht rhetoric he throws.
You can't kill art.
Oh, bother.
I am just so sick of people blaming poor returns on non-white non-male leads.
Disgusted, but not surprised
I am not a dog, therefore I can't hear dog whistles.
I think the effect of casting is overrated. There are a lot of successful film with African American leads, and both Black Panther films were financially successful. Simply having a black lead isn't a guarantee of success.
Female leads seem to be less successful im the Superhero genre in particular. However, it is easy to argue that the MCU took a drop in writing quality at the same time as they started introducing a lot of female characters. Iger has argued that the the MCU prioritized quantity over quality as well as the message.
The Marvels not only was female led, but also female targeted. One could rewrite the film and to appeal to typical superhero movie male audiences and still keep the female cast.
Idea Seeker
facepalm It's not that literal...
Always bears repeating. Nobody who actually seriously perceives "woke" as a thing should be anywhere near a controlling interest in a creative company.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Fittingly, this is the exact mindset that penny-pinching, "old-school minded" Ike Perlmutter had. This prevent the commissioning of Captain Marvel (and Black Panther) film, along with exorcising Wasp from the Avengers roster for the longest time until he was let go.
Considering the last decade has both Wonder Woman (for DC)note and Captain Marvel be hugely successful, I don't think this mindset is truly accurate. The Marvels had the disadvantage of trying to promote in the middle of an Actors and Writers Strike, among other scheduling and production shake-ups.
Edited by XMenMutant22 on Mar 27th 2024 at 1:18:16 PM
Ignoring the actual production or writing issues that contribute to movies' missteps and instead focusing on the fact that they star women, as if the presence of women and minorities is somehow causing the production and writing issues, is arbitrary and ridiculous.
It's an archaic perspective that comes from the old fashioned belief that boys and girls' depictions in media must be aggressively separated - at best. Nowadays, it's also often used as a dogwhistle in an attempt to legitimize for bigotry.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 27th 2024 at 10:15:55 AM
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Edited by M84 on Mar 27th 2024 at 2:00:05 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised