Bravely Default Series

You know the REALLY painful thing about Revenge?

Nearly everything can trigger it. Physical attacks. Magical attacks. Zero Sum (which isn't an attack).

But, early De Rosa does not use his BP correctly with Reflect up, so if you can get someone with reflect and group-cast all, you've already got the worst part under control.

Yeah, DeRosa would be easy if it weren't for Revenge. I hate being afraid of Braving and unleashing my strongest attacks on him because he might well end up with 3 BP and TPK me with a double Thundara and physical attack.

Take that fight slowly, at the point you're at, attacking too much will bite you back.

Nah, already beat him. He was still a pain in the ass. I'm at Chapter 3 now.

I just don't usually brave against bosses. Even if I think I can finish the boss with it, I don't do so because you never know (well, unless you read a guide) when a boss is going to Turn Red or something.

One thing to note about every boss in the game.

VALKYRIE CAN CHEESE THEM ALL.

Hard to hit something that isn't on the field.

Well, except for Konoe and Kamiizumi since both of them can counter attacks. And I tried it on the annoying water temple thing and that didn't work out too well, either.

Alright, MOST bosses can be cheesed with Valkyrie.

What I'm trying to say is that the classes can get pretty overpowered.

And boy do you need that.

The combination of overpowered combos and overpowered bosses is always fun.

Revenge is easily one of the best support skills in the game. Red Mage may be a weak class, but revenge alone makes leveling up more than worth it.

Can't really agree on that. Percent chance activation makes it too random. Turn Tables and BP Recovery are useful, though.

edited 29th Jul '14 6:40:08 PM by Balmung

Revenge on a Bushidobot makes sense, but honestly I get really confused when I have a lot of BP.

edited 29th Jul '14 6:45:27 PM by Clarste

Honestly, the most silly Game Breaker build has to be the Super-Charge Double-Shield knight.

Two Shields means you can't attack? Good thing that exact same class gives you a capstone skill that lets you do STUPID amounts of damage through your psychotically huge defense stat! While taking next to no damage from physical attacks, to boot!

Turn Tables requires a very specific strategy that effectively locks you into Ninja as a class or subclass, and BP Recovery is far too situational since most bosses don't use status moves. Revenge, by contrast, can trigger on any hit. Even if it's a small chance, in most battles you're going to be getting hit often enough that it'll be triggering fairly consistently. This is especially useful for tanky classes like Knight, Swordmaster, or Templar, where you're going to be sponging a lot of damage.

edited 29th Jul '14 7:35:59 PM by Zennistrad

As I understand the BP Recovery strategy, you use one guy with Group Cast All repeatedly inflict status conditions on your own party to gain BP, then heal it, thus avoiding the drawbacks of hitting yourself with status effects.

edited 29th Jul '14 7:48:51 PM by Balmung

Ah, well I don't use black magic in my party.

Group-Cast All, that one ability that boosts status, three casts of Poison, Poisona. That should give your entire party a full load of BP.

Anyway, Performer get. I liked the fight, it was a nice, creative change of pace. Doesn't hurt that Adrenaline meant I could Brave as much as I wanted with my Red Mage!Ringabel, then recover it all by killing the henchmen.

I haven't really made use of the BP Recovery cheesing strategies like that, but I have found BP Recovery quite useful against bosses that like to abuse Weak to Element attacks, such as the Dragons, Mega Magic, or the False Ending Final Boss. Put BP Recovery on Tiz (who's rolling Spiritmaster / WM), wait for the weakness to hit, then use the BP to put up Enigma.

...BRB, starting a new playthrough.

edited 30th Jul '14 5:19:26 AM by Reflextion

You're right. Basing your strategy around needing the enemy to do something is too situational.

So, what ya do is have a Salve-Maker use an [Element] Bane mix (Insect Antenna + elemental component) to apply an elemental weakness, of an element the current enemy does not use, to the party member with BP Recovery. Bam. 2 free BP for that party member, with no issue.

And if that party member happens to be a Performer, who uses that BP to use My Hero? That's 1 extra BP for the rest of the party.

And if that same party member also knows Mimic...

edited 30th Jul '14 6:33:31 AM by Enlong

Bravely Second has a new team of writers.

...is that Einheria?

No, that's the new character Magnolia. The lighting makes her white hair look like Einheria's blonde.

Up to the Swordmaster! I'm really eating up this game, but it's so fun. Current builds: Tiz: Pirate/Spell Fencer (Shell Split, Double Damage, then Aspir and attack to get back all the MP), Edea: Valkyrie/Hunter (not even using the Hunter skills anymore, Crescent, Judgement and High Jump are just too powerful), Agnès: Whatever/White Mage (cycling between Performer, Summoner and Time Mage, just general support), Ringabel: Red Mage/Freelancer (magic offense, healing and Examine). Practicality beat out flavor and now I'm making Tiz a Swordmaster rather than Edea, but haven't decided whether to keep his Pirate (level 11) or Swordmaster (level 9) skills as secondary, both are useful. Edea's getting Spell Fencer to go with her Valkyrie skills, and I'm waiting to get Ninja for Ringabel.

Wait, it was by the writer of Stein's Gate? That kinda explains some things but not really.

I'm conflicted about whether this is a good thing because the second half was so sloppy, or a bad thing because the second half was so ambitious.

I'd say it's good because we probably won't get what chapters 5-8 did again. Although who knows how this new team of writers would work out.