Filum Romanum - A Thread for the Catholic Church

> as long as the rituals aren't confused with marriage.

I dont get this part,halp?

> reaffirming that marriage is a lifelong sacrament between a man and a woman.

uh huh

It's basically Pope Francis using semantics to allow same-sex marriage without calling it same-sex marriage, not exactly the best but given how conservative some of the Catholic bishops are this is a step in the right direction.

Edited by raziel365 on Dec 18th 2023 at 10:17:57 AM

One of the many reasons why I have so much respect for Pope Francis.

Yeah the Catholic Church using the “I can’t believe it’s not a wedding” loophole puts them on the same place as many Western European countries in the late ‘90s and early ‘00s and much of the rest of Europe today (7 EU members are still only using civil partnerships and 5 don’t have any legal form of same-sex partnerships).

That’s pretty advanced on such issues for an organisation like the Catholic Church. Hell the move might even make Catholic nations more willing to bring in civil partnerships.

The story is an utter nothingburger. A reading of the dicastery's document shows that it's about the same as saying that a communicant in no state to receive the Eucharist may receive a blessing from the priest. It *expressly* has nothing to do with the blessee’s sexuality, state of grace, or notions about his marital status.

The Pillar, as usual, is a great resource on issues where too many incurious reporters just print the most breathless and lurid takes imaginable.

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/fiducia-supplicans-what-does-it-say

Well, given Pope Francis's track record, I'm inclined to believe he's leaning to a Rules Lawyer Loophole Abuse interpretation in favour of LGTB people.

Edited by raziel365 on Dec 18th 2023 at 6:34:00 AM

Many people on both sides of the aisle claim to believe this, but I'm not inclined to impute such disgraceful underhandedness to the Holy Father. Unless proved otherwise, I'm inclined to let his words stand on their own.

...You better not imply that you're a fundamentalist.

No need to be aggressive. Whatever Jhimmibhob's beliefs are they are their own.

So it’s “Someone not following all of God’s rules still deserves love, kindness and support” ruling?

That seems like a proper summary to me, yes. It is a shift in perspective, but nothing like official recognition of relationships.

Yeah. I think it's partly politics that he's making his stand in this fashion instead of taking a hard tack to support gay marriage. As has been said before, the Church is a supertanker and doesn't turn on a dime. And while you can make a principled statement that the Church must be committed to eternal truths rather than political convenience, you don't get elected Pope if you don't understand that the Church's eternal truths have to exist and be promulgated in the real world, and sometimes that's going to take strategy and politicking to lay the groundwork.

His sacking of Strickland and his defunding of Burke are definitely a political stand against the hatred displayed by certain sections of the Catholic Church.

Does anybody know how well known/popular Saint Maurice was in the first half of the twentieth century in France and Germany?

(I'm assuming he was well known in Austria since he's literally a patron saint for the country, though he's apparently not the only one and wikipedia didn't say when that became a thing)

Edited by Nukeli on Dec 19th 2023 at 5:22:55 PM

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/catholic-church-blessing-same-sex-union-couples-vatican-pope-francis-3998891

Catholic Church in Singapore is against the official blessing of same-sex unions.

Cardinal William Goh said that the Vatican is "making a distinction between the Church’s official blessings, and a pastoral blessing for all occasions outside the liturgical and sacramental setting."

One valid concern I've heard about this document is that it transfers all the "discernment" about the spontaneity, appropriateness, and limitations of the blessing onto individual priests' shoulders. In other words, if a given blessing is perceived to cross the line somehow, or incurs the laity's displeasure, then the priest's bishop & other superiors needn't ever have offered him any guidance, and needn't have his back. A suspiciously comfortable decision if you're the hierarchy.

I am not sure, but many French villages or small towns are named after him so I guess he was not entirely unknown.

So apparently Pope's actions have created quite a controversy [1].

https://www.osvnews.com/2024/02/12/paris-archdiocese-reveals-how-the-grandeur-of-notre-dame-cathedrals-reopening-will-look/

Notre Dame Cathedral set to reopen in December 8th this year, will have an extended season of remembrance until Pentecost the following year. Emphasis is on emphasizing the return of this historic landmark and the religious significance it carries for millions of people, that it will be a time of celebration for all Christian people.

Of all the things I would like to visit in France, this beautiful Cathedral is top of that list. A beautiful piece of medieval history.

It's easily accessible by public transit, and there's even a direct rail line from CDG airport. So if you manage to come over to France, it's a very easy place to visit.

Nice to know. The goal would be to attend a Sunday service and really get the full experience. Also as a Hunchback of Notre Dame fan I would try to see all the architecture, including what survived the fire and what has been done to restore the cathedral.

Yeah yeah, very original, but hey. I would love to do this.

Good thinking! Notre-Dame of Paris is the true heart of Paris (and it is right in the middle of it). I say, even though I am an Atheist. And I felt very sad when it burned.

On the same day as you visit Notre-Dame, you could easily also visit the Sacred Heart of Montmartre, and of course there are dozens of smaller churches in Paris.

Btw we don't have a work page for the film Notre-Dame on Fire (2022). I thought it was great, but when I watched it I didn't take notes and I didn't think of enough tropes to start a work page.

However it is a surprising film, that manages to be both exciting and decent. I like how it doesn't tell how the fire started, because we don't know.

Edited by gropcbf on Feb 12th 2024 at 3:06:02 PM

I learn that it was a mistake from the people that were making restorations to the roof, some of the materials tend to be very inflamable and this leads to the fire.

Take a look also a Saint Chapelle, is a beautiful, while crowded place, Sacre Coeur is beautiful while you will not enjoy the place if you are not going to pray, but outside the view is astonishing

I remember visiting Notre Dame many years ago, it was venerable. I would be interested to know how the new version compares to the old one.