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No, but if you're not allowed to move beyond being just a friend with them, that means you've been relegated to the relationship zone that friends occupy rather than being allowed to advance to the relationship zone that romantic interests are allowed to occupy.

Hence, being stuck in the friendzone.

edited 15th May '15 10:17:59 PM by TheSpaceJawa

It's too late. Now I'm a jerk and will be a jerk to all fictional characters:

Hey Fitz! Remember that time you killed your girlfriend?

What's wrong? Did I stutter? Well, you sure did!

Yes! None can stop me! None can stop the dickishness of Handsome Rob!

No one has that much power!

MWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

But that implies that being a friend is bad. "Oh, you're stuck in the friendzone! Too bad!" The problem is that it gives no agency to the man or woman who doesn't want to be in a relationship with that person.

See, this is why I kind of hate the Iris/Barry relationship: because 1) they were adopted siblings, so that's kind of fucked up in the first place and 2) Iris explicitly told Barry that she doesn't feel the same way. It doesn't matter whether or not she really feels that way, she FUCKING TOLD HIM SHE DOESN'T FEEL THAT WAY, so he should just respect her wishes and not keeping going back down that well.

edited 15th May '15 10:21:25 PM by alliterator

Yes, it assumes that friendship is some inferior status to romance, or a waystation on the road to romance, rather than a very good thing in and of itself.

.......

Right. Let's leave the Iris / Barry debate in the Flash thread.

You're all jerks for ignoring me Moving on, how badly should Ward get his ass kicked by whatever the hell Simmon's becomes in the next season?

I'm naming her Super-Simmon's myself.

Also, Shield should have a policy about tricking Ward into killing people he likes, just to fuck with him. He does deserve it.

Only if you use the term that way.

First time I've heard about the term, I've thought it was a perfect term o describe me and a (woman) friend of mine. We are very close, and many people thought there was something romantic between us^note including our own parents and at last one boyfriend of her. There isn't, though. We are just friends and I am pretty sure this won't change. I figured out that saying we were in each other's friend zone was a nice way to describe how our relationship was.

Then I saw in the Internet a lot of baggage involving the term. With a bunch of manchild blaming their "friends" for "friendzoning"(as a verb) as if it was their fault and as if it was some kind of betrayal or something. Other people, meanwhile rejected the term entirely, no matter the context. I feel it is a waste of a perfectly good work that can be used neutrally as a simple way to describe a relationship.

..wait, this isn't the Flash thread? Shit, I totally forgot.

So hey, what about Yo Yo Rodriguez, guys! She would be a great addition to next season!

edited 15th May '15 10:30:57 PM by alliterator

Friendshipping is best shipping.

That's a reasonable way to use the word, but the other meaning has become so common that you're going to have people constantly misunderstanding you if you try to use it your way.

edited 15th May '15 10:31:16 PM by Galadriel

...Man, imagine if Simmons really has been transported somewhere else. Like maybe she's currently wandering around Knowhere or something.

The possibilities of wherever Simmons could be are endless, y'all.

edited 15th May '15 10:34:02 PM by higherbrainpattern

I think that simply using it as a noun, rather than as a verb, already does wonders to get the point a cross. When you make it a verb it seems as if it is something someone does consciously to someone else. That way it is clear there is no blaming attached, which is the one of the main problems of the "mainstream" usage of the term.

edited 15th May '15 10:39:22 PM by Heatth

I checked out the wiki page for that Yo-Yo character, and apparently she's the daughter of Johnny "the Griffin" Horton.

Who Garret mentioned arresting when he raided the Fridge.

Hmm.

My secret hope is that all the team from Secret Warriors ends up on the show. I don't think they'd keep their origins the same but since thir already using the Caterpillar files, why not?

I blame what happened to Simmons on whatever idiot decided to put the super powerful ever moving artefact in a case that can be opened by accidentally leaning on it.

Also Mack for say "we're never opening that thing".

I still think the artifact is intelligent, and was able to open the box itself. Maybe not sentient, but with enough base cunning to do that sort of thing and wait for Simmons to be alone.

I am rewatching season one, and had just a - I don't know if funny aneurysm moment qualifies. Either way, in the fifth episode Ward and Coulson have the following conversation.

Ward: "You can't safe somebody from himself." Coulson: "You can if you get to him early enough."

Seeing the first season again knowing what we know now a lot of scenes suddenly become a very, very different meaning.

edited 16th May '15 9:43:55 AM by Swanpride

Yeah, it becomes obvious that even if the actors didn't know what was going to happen, the writers did.

It is also much more fun to watch when you actually like and care about the characters.

Jemma will get switched with 616 Jemma. Our Jemma will be dead due to Secret Wars, while 616 Jemma is placed in the MCU.

Wait, what?

I'd be OK with Yo-Yo showing up. She was really cool. Maybe throw in Stonewall, too, and unlike the comic, the show can actually make mention of him being gay. Stonewall is Absorbing Man's son, and Absorbing Man has appeared, so there you go. Plus, the friendship between Stonewall and Yo-Yo was one of the best parts of Secret Warriors.

Is there a trope for Movies/Shows which are a different experience to watch the second time around because the level of knowledge is different?

Rewatch Bonus

Not a bad second season. A few questionable moments (what was the point of bringing Deathlok back for like 3 eps just for him to get captured and damaged for the rest of the season before he really did much?), but overall good.

I noticed it had a similar problem season 1 in that it kept changing the premise of the show in the second half. Ie, new shield is operating against Coulson covertly, oh wait they openly took over and Coulson's on the run with limited resources and only a few guys, actually no nevermind Coulson surrrendered to them and is now reluctantly cooperating with them, actually wait Coulson's the boss and they're his advisors, oh wait all the advisors but one are now dead.

As someone that enjoyed the first half of the first season where it was kind of episodic (I know everyone else hated that part) it kind of bugs me that they couldn't keep a status quo for longer than an ep or two.

Not all the advisers but one are dead — aside from Agent Weaver, there's still Bobbi and May. So that's three advisers.