Arrow. Green Arrow tv show.

That hasn't really been the case on Earth-1 and only slightly less so on Supergirl's Earth. Assuming it hasn't change due to Barry's time traveling, and there has no indication it has, the Flash is highly regarded except a select few who only view him unfavorably since they assume the worst.

Likewise outside of the few Jonn mentioned, the Supes are generally well liked and Kara has earned back the trust she lost after the Red K incident.

‘My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’

Actually, I'm pretty sure they did cast someone to play Ray's fiance for a flashback during Season 3. We probably haven't seen her since because, when they cast her, they didn't think they'd ever need to have her show up again, and since her flashback only required her to say a few lines and then die, they didn't bother casting a particularly good actor and/or didn't think about whether this actor would be available later down the line.

edited 2nd Dec '16 10:54:48 AM by RavenWilder

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko

^^ Supergirl has been exploring the alien immigrant backlash on her show along with James feeling inadequate next to the superheroes and becoming his own hero. The Flash has Barry experiencing some fallout from the misuse of his powers, Caitlin fearing what she is turning into with her powers, Wally also feeling impotent next to those with powers and Julian actively dislikes metahumans. All are part of the same topic, Beware the Superman and What Measure Is a Non-Super?.

Most of what you stated is what those characters are dealing with personally, but aren't sentiments regularly shown by the general public. Beware the Superman would require more cynicism than what has been presented by The Flash and Supergirl, which outside of a couple points, celebrates both as heroes. Julian comes to closest and even then it's about the bad metas using their power for evil with him admitting Flash is one of the good guys.

‘My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’

Not regularly, no, but the sentiment has come up enough times to be in the background. Kara made several mistakes in the first season (an early episode was her learning how to use her powers and doing community work to build confidence in her, another had her go off the deep end because of red kryptonite and the public turned against her) and Barry had a couple of similar problems in his first season due to the discovery of metahumans and how to properly handle them. Even Arrow has had a few metahumans appear and people mention offhand about the craziness going on in Central City.

The issue being more that telling the people with cool superpowers they shouldn't use their powers that often is not very conducive to a show about people with cool superpowers.

I mean, I don't think they were able to get Tommy or Bennett back, and they can't afford to have all of the heroes on screen for more than 5 minutes, and I don't really know or care who Ray's fiancee is unless she's somehow important in the comics.

And I think they did cast her for that flashback in Season 3. She just died and we never saw her again.

Holy crap there's something Ray hasn't messed up whereas everybody else did. He hasn't tried to use time travel to bring back a loved one.

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!

He hasn't had the opportunity yet mind you.

While it might seem unfair for me to assume he would, I refuse to underestimate the stupidity of Ray Palmer.

Not just because of my grudge, but due to the fact that everyone who's time travelled has affected their own timeline so far in some way:

• Barry saving his mom among other things;

• Sara trying to kill Darhk;

• Snart trying to prevent his dad from getting arrested;

• Stein accidentally giving himself a daughter;

The last one wasn't intended (he never expected to meet his younger self again), but my point still stands.

One Strip! One Strip!

That's actually an interesting distinction. In Ray's perfect world, he's not with his original fiancee - instead, she's doesn't exist (he has to be reminded that she's dead) and instead he's with Felicity.

Along with Ollie's perfect world being one where he's with Laurel and barely knows Felicity, and Dig's perfect world being one where he's an angry vigilante still working through guilt issues, this episode says a lot about our heroes' collective subconscious.

edited 2nd Dec '16 1:44:48 PM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

And by the end of her fight with Livewire & Silver Banshee she earned back some of that trust. Currently Kara seems as well liked in National City as Superman is in Metropolis.

Season 2 had Barry getting awarded on "Flash Day", getting a drink named him, what seems to been his biggest detractors acknowledging he's one of the good guys, and the CCPD has no problems working with the Flash.

They also mentioned how often shit goes down in Star City, world has gotten pretty crazy.

‘My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’

None of that disproves anything I've said. Ideas and sentiments don't appear and disappear in an instant. In fact it's kind of scary at just how easily public opinion can change in an instant. No matter how beloved an individual may be there will always be critics, right or wrong. The main villains of the current seasons of both Supergirl and Flash are reacting to the existence, fear and "unfairness" of metahumans.

Wild Dog Continues To Be Made Of Fail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG6urikADo4

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?

Wild Dog is getting shit on consistently enough that I'm curious what the writers' endgame for him is.

I would hope that eventually Wild Dog becomes better at things and Mr Terrific finally develops his T-Spheres so he can fight better and they become the Outsiders.

Meh, as much as I liked this episode; I found Dig's perfect world to be extremely hard to believe. For one, he seems much happier in the real world; even if he is a fugitive. Plus, Diggle's a somewhat emotional guy, but he's not really an angry character; even with his guilt issues. And while I can see Diggle becoming the vigilante for Star City, him becoming the "The Hood/Green Arrow" makes absolutely no sense...for numerous reasons.

I feel like Wild Dog might become the new "Thea". You know, the character that will start out pretty annoying but will eventually end up as a fan-favorite because of character development. It's better than being the fan-favorite character and eventually becoming The Scrappy (please don't let that happen to Ragman). But yeah, they need to do something with him very soon.

edited 4th Dec '16 7:25:50 AM by deuteragonist

I don't think the dream world was supposed to be "perfect," just playing off subconscious desires and fears. For Ollie, losing Laurel was a major blow, and perhaps he has issues with being accepted by his family; for Diggle, the prior episode introduced his current anger issues and the fact that he's cut off from a normal life. Thea wants to be normal

Yeah I took the world to be Oliver's fantasy primarily with the others being fitted into it where possible.

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran

So Guggenheim revealed a spoiler here: the Season 5 finale will include a flashback to the very first scene of the show, thus creating a Moebius strip. It's an interesting idea that they originally wanted for the series finale, but decided not to push it off past Season 5.

I do think it would be interesting if the Season 5 finale was like a series finale and Season 6 had a wider focus — Arrow and the Outsiders or something like that. After all, the show has been evolving into a much more team show than it used to be.

I'd be okay with that.

But it'd need to be done well. I'm not sure if the show could survive a failed retool of its premise.

edited 5th Dec '16 4:36:23 AM by 32ndfreeze

"But if that happened, Melia might actually be happy. We can't have that." - Handsome Rob

Am I right in presuming this will mean an end to the flashbacks?

They could always flash back to season 1.

So the show is definitely getting a sixth season? Not sure how I feel about that. It seems like Arrow has run its course. I'd prefer if they replaced it with another DC show.

Ollie will reveal that he wasn't always in this time period for those 5 years and season 6's flashbacks will be him doing missions with the legends

That would be an interesting twist.

I think the show should end at Season 7. Make three more good seasons to make up for the last two and end it on a good note. Although, this show can only do so much with Oliver at this point; there's still more to do with the universe that it started.

Plus, I want two more seasons of Ragman.

Arrow Midseason Finale Will Handle Flashpoint Fallout http://screenrant.com/arrow-midseason-finale-flashpoint/

see how Oliver himself will react when he finds out Felicity was sitting on the information the whole time.

Meh.

edited 5th Dec '16 3:46:43 PM by Guy01

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?

Other than of Sara/John has there been any indication that Barry messed with anything on the Arrow side?

‘My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’