All-Purpose Nasuverse Fanfiction Thread

I suppose.

The scary thing is that Alaya is technically on Humanity's side since it does all it does to prevent Gaia from kicking our asses....I think.

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If it helps, given the SCALE of fucked up things have to be for the world to respond with a Counter Guardian, he's not killing innocent people so much as putting them out of their misery. The Grail Wars ending in fire and Grail Mud didn't need a Counter Guardian, so that's clearly below the trigger. The 5th War didn't rate a guardian, he's there on his 'personal' time as it were. Both World Wars, the largest mass murder events of their time humanity has ever committed, didn't rate an appearance by a Counter Guardian.To rate a Guardian, we're talking a nuclear war, all of Japan being infected with a Dead Apostle Zombie Apocalypse, etc. Actually, the incidents shown in the ufotable anime wouldn't require a Counter Guardian unless those guys were about to unleash Biblical Plague Book of Revelations level bioweapons or something.

edited 19th Sep '16 6:35:21 PM by SCMof2814

Solomon ending the world so badly it killed Scatath would kinda merit sending a Counter Guardian, wouldn't it? Although by then the threat level has escalated so much he wouldn't have made any difference on his own and—

Say. If something like the Fifth War, where the whole world was in danger of ending because Fuck, Corrupted Grail Kinda Waking Up, and EMIYA was above his head in terms of the combined opposition, didn't rank an 'official' Counter Guardian job, then pretty much any high level enough danger would likely be above EMIYA's power level to handle anyway, wouldn't it? Which kind of beats the purpose of having a Counter Guardian in the first place, unless Alaya is sort of a fucking idiot who didn't think it through.

No, the moment that said grail woke up fully, THEN the Counter Guardian appears. Not before. And technically, there already WAS one on the scene.

EMIYA acting as a Counter Guarding is a hell of a lot more powerful than when he's acting as a Heroic Spirit on account of having a metric shit ton more prana. He could spam his strongest Broken Phantasms all day and probably not break a sweat.

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Alaya doesn't always need to directly send in a Counter Guardian, instead using people on scene to deal with it. Jeanne d'arc for example was said to have been helped by Alaya to achieve what she did,

edited 19th Sep '16 6:56:07 PM by doineedaname

Which technically is what was happening with Shiro.

Alaya will not interfere in a situation that will fix itself. In all three possible 'real' routes of the grail war (the bad ends aren't canon), the problem will fix itself, so Alaya won't bother interfering.

Incidentally, Alaya might be confused regarding Solomon, since Solomon is Grand Caster and should, in theory, be one of humanity's last lines of defense, not its executioner.

That's true. In fact, the Counter Force is what fixes most issues.

Deploying a Counter Guardian is what happens when Alaya needs to make sure a lot of people are very, very dead, and they usually act through seemingly 'natural' disasters.

edited 19th Sep '16 7:13:14 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

Alternately, it regards the situation as 'will fix itself', s their a buttload of servants going around doing something about the problem.

Actually, canonically it's only Matthew and Da Vinci. Everyone else stays in their Order.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

If Angelica was going to be a summon, I'd expect her to actually show up during the Prilya event as more than a CE.

@Charlemagne Treasures and Gil: Technically, those are Charlemagne's, not Gil, he have those fair and square, although many of his treasures can overlap.

I mean, he didn't throw a fit when Lancer extensively using Gae Bolg.

DW just put Jeanne with the Assassin Rate Up Gacha. DW does not give a single shit about making sense.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

None of them are Illya. I don't care anymore…

Of course not. None of those Gachas includes limited servants, and they don't even include all the story-locked ones.

You have a shot at Jack, though.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

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Meh, Rider Kintoki and Scathach are good enough.

True, Charlemagne probably had a lot of treasures in his own right, and he'd use them way more effectively than Gil ever would, because he's not an egotistical jackass.

He might not be all there though. I mean, he thought Astolfo was knight material and one of A Stolfo's fellow Paladins is confirmed to be crazy.

Maybe, but he's still the brilliant and wise emperor who basically pulled the whole of Europe out of the dark ages and set the foundations of post-Roman civilisation outside of Asia, arguably an achievement and legacy greater than most of the rulers who have shown up in the Nasuverse. Still, the whole paladins thing is mostly a fictional element to Charlemagne's legend compared to the man himself, whose achievements and legacy are very much real.

Now that I think about it, he might actually be a sensible candidate for Grand Ruler.

Edit: Also, speaking of Charlemagne, since this is related to a tale with Charlemagne in it, does anyone have any idea why the Apocrypha version of St. George had Bayard as his steed? Because Bayard is from a completely different tale centuries apart and from France rather than the Roman Empire, specifically "The Four Sons of Aymon", where Bayard was basically a semi-shapeshifting magical horse who was a bit of a trickster who could understand human tongue and escaped his execution when Charlemagne supposedly ordered him to be drowned by throwing him into a river with a large stone tied to his neck, only for Bayard to smash the stone with his hooves and flee into the woods.

edited 21st Sep '16 2:27:42 AM by Cronosonic

Uh... pulled the world out of the dark ages..?

'Dark Ages' refers to different periods of time in different places, and, more importantly, it refers to the lack of available records and literature of those times. They're 'dark' because they're hard to discern. Of course, most scholars and historians don't use the term 'dark ages' because nobody understands what it's actually supposta mean, as well as becoming more and more meaningless as we discover new evidence and records.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

Poor wording, I apologize, though I meant it metaphorically - Charlemagne is called the "father of Europe" for a reason, he basically repaired civilisation in the region and kick-started the Carolingian Renaissance, and basically re-established the foundations of western civilisation after the fall of the Western Roman Empire.

I dunno, man. If there's one thing Europe's always been good at is dragging itself kicking and screaming into more 'dumb periods', as I like to call them.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

I dunno, he's not all that ancient and Rulers seemingly have to be Christian saints.

That and just because he was a very important figure in history doesn't mean he's going to be a strong Heroic Spirit.

He might be a Star-attribute servant (IE, all those who have, one way or another, altered the course of human history, like Francis Drake, Tesla and Mozart), but that does not make him a Grand Servant candidate.

Especially in a class that includes the canonical nasuverse "Holy Maiden to end all Holy Maidens" Jeanne d'Arc and Saint "I learned how to punch out Archangels" Martha.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

Wait. I thought Martha punched out dragons. Who was the winged smartass that she clocked and how awesome was it?

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