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tinwatchman Since: Nov, 2009
#1: Jan 14th 2012 at 5:29:13 PM

And I don't mean selling your ideas for money (though that is somewhat related). I mean, how do you go about describing your ideas in a way that sounds interesting to people?

This is something I've struggled with for a long time - whether it's in the form of a pitch, a proposal or even just a fanfic summary. There's a certain kind of art to it, that much I can tell - a way of thinking that skips to the best or most enticing part of the idea, but simultaneously leaves out enough to make people want to hear more.

Anyone out there have any tips or tricks? Or care to share their own stories about how you got people wanting to hear more?

Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
Decemberist
#2: Jan 14th 2012 at 5:33:43 PM

I try to intertwine what makes the characters important to the plot and vice versa while implying what the general themes are.

~shrug~

Like you said, there's an art to it. Sometimes I put out good summaries, and some times (most of the time) I put out shitty summaries.

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."
Teraus Awesome Lightning Mantra from The Origin of Dreams Since: Jul, 2011
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#3: Jan 14th 2012 at 6:15:18 PM

When people ask me what my books are about, I usually struggle but say "It's a story about the fundamental mysteries of existence and some people who discover them". Sometimes I add "also, it has robots, aliens from other universes and superpowers".

It's really Better Than It Sounds. I never go into too many details, as it's far too complex.

edited 14th Jan '12 6:18:38 PM by Teraus

"You cannot judge a system if your judgement is determined by the system."
Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
Decemberist
#4: Jan 14th 2012 at 6:19:53 PM

I think the only where the summary consists primarily of its themes rather than its plot-and-character substance is American Armor, mostly because it's political allegory.

Most of the time, I think you'd ideally focus on the plot, characters, and setting.

"Shit, our candidate is a psychopath. Better replace him with Newt Gingrich."
Teraus Awesome Lightning Mantra from The Origin of Dreams Since: Jul, 2011
Awesome Lightning Mantra
#5: Jan 14th 2012 at 6:37:11 PM

It's complicated. I'm thinking how can I best summarize the first book...

edited 14th Jan '12 6:37:53 PM by Teraus

"You cannot judge a system if your judgement is determined by the system."
Leradny Since: Jan, 2001
#6: Jan 14th 2012 at 8:27:17 PM

Summarize an idea in one reasonably good or higher quality sentence. Memorize it so you don't mess up talking about it. There you go.

tinwatchman Since: Nov, 2009
#7: Jan 14th 2012 at 8:34:21 PM

Welp, you're all doing exactly what I do. It's hard, isn't it? Trying to worry about the - well, I'd guess you'd call it the marketing of the story, when so much of your head is just taken up by the story itself.

Maybe one of the tricky things here is that it requires you to figure out what - when you get right down to it - your story is about. Which is difficult, especially with bigger and more complicated plots. When you get right down to it, what is the essential element that makes your story what it is?

tinwatchman Since: Nov, 2009
#8: Jan 14th 2012 at 8:35:37 PM

/* Summarize an idea in one reasonably good or higher quality sentence. */

Ah, but see, it's that first step that's the killer...

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#9: Jan 14th 2012 at 9:03:20 PM

I don't know and it makes me a little depressed inside.

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Night The future of warfare in UC. from Jaburo Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
The future of warfare in UC.
#10: Jan 14th 2012 at 9:14:02 PM

I honestly have no idea, which is kind of scary considering I apparently do it effectively.

Nous restons ici.
burnpsy Since: Sep, 2010
#11: Jan 14th 2012 at 9:36:42 PM

I take shots in the dark explaining that kind of stuff. :/

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#12: Jan 14th 2012 at 10:16:24 PM

Pot luck for me. I know this: avoid Powerpoint like the plague, though. Yup, seriously. I knew somebody who did this in an old writers' circle. I've never been so switched off.

edited 14th Jan '12 10:16:41 PM by Euodiachloris

tinwatchman Since: Nov, 2009
#13: Jan 15th 2012 at 10:24:08 AM

/* I know this: avoid Powerpoint like the plague, though. Yup, seriously. I knew somebody who did this in an old writers' circle. I've never been so switched off. */

Yeesh. I bet.

tinwatchman Since: Nov, 2009
#14: Jan 15th 2012 at 10:24:45 AM

/* I honestly have no idea, which is kind of scary considering I apparently do it effectively. */

So give us an example, then.

tinwatchman Since: Nov, 2009
#15: Jan 16th 2012 at 2:36:40 PM

Err... so, yeah. Anything?

Night The future of warfare in UC. from Jaburo Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
The future of warfare in UC.
#16: Jan 17th 2012 at 12:02:45 AM

[up]Any example would be useless considering I've not had direct and unequivocal evidence of its effectiveness since college. (And that's what, five years now?)

Nous restons ici.
RickGriffin Since: Sep, 2009
#17: Jan 17th 2012 at 11:18:19 AM

I've found being so close to my work, I will think of it in way, way overly complex ways. So in order to pitch, I give it to a reader first and have THEM tell me what it's about, and I refine it from there.

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