That's nice but by now the public has pretty much forgotten about it. Unless you see criminal charges come up, which is unlikely, Harper and friends are going to escape with an approval rating dip that will be overcome when they spin their feel good "tough on crime" BS or the economy gets better.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
scratching at .8, just hopin'
If Canada's public is that apathetic, then yes we're doomed. If they're not, though, I expect the Conservatives to make history by being the first government to leave Parliament Hill in handcuffs.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Their tactic will be to delay demands for a public inquiry until the populace becomes sick and tired of hearing about election fraud but not being able to see any evidence and thus lose their taste for going after the Tories with judicial teeth.
It will go further than that. The Liberals and the NDP will be accused of being "sore losers" and the Tories might actually get a boost by cheating potentially hundreds of people (and attempting to do so to thousands of others) out of their right to vote.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Putin would learn much following Canada's elections.
scratching at .8, just hopin'
Am I the only one who is kinda sick and tired of the media not treating the NDP as the Official Opposition? I've heard more about Interim Liberal Leader Bob Rae's responses to stuff than the interim NDP leader, whose name I can't even remember. What the fuck?
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
That's partially due to media bias and also due to the NDP keeping quiet/Rae being the loud one when it comes to the Robocall scandal and other stuff. The NDP probably don't want to take any positions, except the basic ones, until their leadership race is sorted out.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
The lack of a NDP leader is the problem.
Proud Canadian
I've heard more about Interim Liberal Leader Bob Rae's responses to stuff than the interim NDP
Because it's a hard change to get used to. And the NDP hasn't made the yummy soundbites Rae has.
If you don't like a single Frank Ocean song, you have no soul.
scratching at .8, just hopin'
Rae's made yummy soundbites? When? Dion was a more charismatic Liberal leader.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Proud Canadian
lol wut? Dion was as charismatic as wet stick.
I've sort of tuned out recently, but a few months back Rae got more attention then even Harper.
edited 20th Mar '12 8:06:55 PM by Erock
If you don't like a single Frank Ocean song, you have no soul.
The NDP don't have an obvious leader, real or figurehead, and that's whats hurting them. The Canadian people and media identify with party leaders, not the party itself, and if you don't have a visible leader or mouthpiece that's when you get this exposure problem.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
scratching at .8, just hopin'
I guess this is the thread to cover the NDP Leadership Convention and any news pertaining to it then, right?
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Well in other news, Air Canada ground crews have resorted to an illegal strike after the third round of back-to-work legislation. Also, Air Canada has laid off all Canadian maintenance workers and will now only use Chinese maintenance workers (I'm not sure how that works, since you have to fly the planes to China). Apparently Air Canada suspended three workers for something prompting a walkout, and Industry Minister Raitt was there and got herself a "sarcastic" applaud from the Air Canada workers.
At this point, if the Air Canada union employees don't stand together and fight, they're all going to be fired with police backing up the corporation.
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Yes.
Sigh, so I guess the elections were rigged and nothing is going to be done. The Tories have delayed long enough, I don't see it in the news any more. I guess they win forever.
Yep. Best thing we can hope for now is the fraud allegations will make a decent dent next election. But people will probably give Harper a majority again anyway because they think he is helping the economy. And that's assuming he doesn't try to pull a stunt like this again.
Seriously... the Liberals pull the Sponsorship Scandal, which was pretty bad but not off the wall horrible, and get boiled alive over it. The Conservative potentially, or at least attempt to, steal an election, and the public and media by and large ignore it?
Karma is dead.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
scratching at .8, just hopin'
Isn't Elections Canada still in its investigative loading screen mode? Let's not press Esc to cancel quite yet.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Unless Elections Canada finds evidence (not proof or conjecture) that someone big, rather than just some staffer or secretary, committed unethical or criminal activity than it will go nowhere. And finding evidence takes time so unless Harper, a Cabinet minister or a senior party member is directly implicated (and thus become a really juicy media story that the public can jump on), things will cool down and the public will get bored.
edited 23rd Mar '12 4:42:25 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Except that EC basically has no power. The Tories can stonewall in the background and the public won't care. At this point, even if the allegations make a dent, they'll just cheat their way straight to victory. They've already shown they're not above ballot box stuffing.
scratching at .8, just hopin'
If our problem is a public that doesn't care, defeatism and apathy are not the solutions.
It will depend on the timing of anything Elections Canada reports, and whether or not those employed in the federal government, EC, or the RCMP get fed up and are willing to outright ignore stonewalling directives from the PMO.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Proud Canadian
Does it really matter if it's proved? The allegations alone are a strong negative.
If you don't like a single Frank Ocean song, you have no soul.
Well I'm not satisfied unless they go to jail just like the people behind the sponsorship scandal.
I'm still going to vote, it's not like I'm going to refuse to do that, but until the full force of the law is put against Harper and the cronies behind the election fraud I'm never going to be satisfied and call Canada a democracy.
So CBC's investigation shows that robocalls in 31 different ridings was using information only the Conservative Party could have had. At this point, I really don't see how this couldn't have been done by the Conservative Party and known by the leadership.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/03/15/pol-investigation-.html