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Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto Since: Jul, 2009
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#26: Nov 15th 2011 at 6:51:47 PM

@breadloaf:

1. I'm not talking pure Capitalism.

2. No government? How do you enforce no money? How are you defend from other countries? How do you charge criminals? Seriously, no government alone could put enogh people off.

3. Genius B was throwing leftists a bone - it doesn't matter.

If he needs materials/resources/skills the community will provide it.

There's no need to fund it, the community provides the necessary resources for everyone to do what they wish and if it's not available they can move to a community to where the resources are provided as there is freedom of mobility.

But if everyone is forced to share, then the amount of the pie is decreased. Some blind idiot could get resources for a stupid project, but if there is no government

Also: what is to stop him from moving to a capitalist country to make mor emoney and live better.

She's a dissident against what? There's no government.

Once again - you would need a strong government to enforce communism. And if it is a dmeocracy of some sort, then her followers would need to get a say.

If Genius A developed a very enticing product then people will naturally work on it. Genius A is happy to have contributed to the community and the community reflects upon him with praise and now build his new better product

There's no such thing as money, he can just go ahead and do it

But where will he get the resources? Will everyone just give him what he needs? What if they need it themselves?

Point for thought: How many products do we use today that descend from to socialist countries vs. capitalist countries? Sweden and such count as capitalism, as they have a vibrant free market. A Lmost eveyr single major technolgial advance was harnessed in a industrialized capitalist country.

Frankly, proclaiming communism is a practical system when you have a system in Scandinvia that does everything communism was supposed to do and better. Marxism developed as a harsh rection to laissez-faire capitalism - not social capitalism ina liberal democracy. If you want, I'll explain why I think this is the best system.

And considering communism and socialism have no examples of success, while social capitalism has plenty, you're fighting an uphill battle.

edited 15th Nov '11 6:57:31 PM by Erock

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breadloaf Since: Oct, 2010
#27: Nov 15th 2011 at 9:36:40 PM

Socialism has nothing to do with not having a vibrant free market.

Now, generally the same problems that plague anarchism (lack of strong government) is the same issue with communism. The entire concept basically relies on people to act communal.

For instance, you raise a point of your project being stupid. So I'm going to presume it'd be like the myriad of products people pitch to venture capitalists and the like that never fly because they don't think the market will want it. For communism you are asking what prevents this waste. In communism, you pitch your product and if people like it, they help you make it, if they don't, they don't bother. So you could end up working on it yourself and only making it for yourself.

Communist regimes can't wage war. Hence why Marxist Communism was meant to be global.

Communist societies and policing work on the communal aspect, that is, they solve the problem the same way tribes would do in the non-violent way. Banishment from the community, and if you don't like a particular community you leave and go to another one, thus depriving any would-be leader of any power base.

A lot of the products we use today, in terms of luxuries, are from capitalist countries. A lot of the products we use today for necessity (such as healthcare) are from government research (which is mostly poured into a lot of pointless shit... typically barely a few percent, if that much, results in anything useful in terms of dollars spent).

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