Author vs. Character -- Writing Advice:

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26 nrjxll20th Oct 2011 12:39:48 AM , Relationship Status: Not war
I personally think the "complete apathy" route suggested earlier would be the best way to go.
i am a god, my characters are my pawns, nothing but hollow echos of my will. they have no sentience. you merely simulate sentience when they rage against you. do not think too much into it; if they rage against you and kill you for instance, don't get caught up in how that can happen when your still alive in real life.

From my standpoint I do not think it matters; there is the concept of the narrator in the story, but realistically all goes according to your will.
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Raging against the creator? I recommend Princess Tutu, Frankenstein, Paradise Lost, and Monster as inspiration. Also Matthew 26, or the song Gethsemane from Jesus Christ Superstar based on it.

The character wins out in Princess Tutu, arguably in Monster and Frankenstein, and the rest can be seen either way depending on your moral standpoint, but all are good works that have interesting things to say on the problem.

edited 24th Oct '11 5:48:56 PM by kashchei

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29 MrAHR24th Oct 2011 05:46:57 PM from ಠ_ಠ , Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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Thanks, I've mostly been in deep think mode, which is why I haven't posted in this thread.

I'll definitely try and check a few of those out.
30 jagillette25th Oct 2011 05:20:07 AM from the middle of nowhere
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Just in case it's not too late for me to add my thoughts,

If I understand this correctly, part of the problem is that the character can't seem to win because whatever he does, he knows his actions are being controlled by the author. Even his hatred of the author comes from the author.

But here's the thing: that's not necessarily true. If a character is developed enough and your imagination is strong enough, a character seem to act independently of the author's conscious will. The character becomes part of the author's own personality, even more so than he was before. I think if your character came to realize this, that could offer something.

Just my thoughts. And I only skimmed the above posts in the thread, so someone else may have said this already. :P
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Character wants to 'defeat' the Author somehow. Author is responsible for the Character's thoughts. Therefore, the Author wants to lose. Maybe. Or maybe the Author simply wants someone to fight/argue with. In that case, apathy would be the best weapon for the Character.

What exactly does the Character want, though? What does it mean for him to win? Freedom?
He's like fire and ice and rage. He's ancient and forever. He burns at the centre of time. Rory punched him in the face.
32 Philosopher29th Oct 2011 10:48:46 AM from Behind the Wall
The thing with the red gold crown.
Couldn't the character actually be a small split personality that exists in your head and translates in the book as always being ruled over by the stronger personality.

The character plays as both the hero and the villain. Sets up a resistance and sets off to collect objects of power to kill the invincible overlord, but this is all a ruse to gather objects to kill the Author Symbol. At the end of the story the main character sets off a massive battle with the Author by misdirecting the masses.
It comes. The corrupter comes.
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Basically, the best example I can suggest to follow is The Stanley Parable — the Narrator has a plot in mind, and the character does abso-fucking-lutely everything he can to throw it Off the Rails.
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