Once Upon A Time

Yeah that's what I felt too during it. I muted it cause it was so embarassing.

edited 16th May '16 10:35:06 PM by OmegaRadiance

To be fair, Rumple magic have become as part of him, not matter how much everyone around denied that, and the whole "you could be like I want you to be" sound wrong

And for me, the writer just want season 1 gold, a grey villian who use magic and for that they are throwing his chararter devolpment which is quite a shame, he is moving away from being a fan favorite to the scrappy

I'm not so sure its "You could be how I want you to be" and "You could be a person who is NOT a dick and a selfish prick if you'd just try damn it because no one likes you".

Either way, some acknowledgement from SOME character that Rumple, the Dark One who causes shit for EVERYONE, is powerless would have been welcome.

Didn't Regina and Emma contemplate locking him away for like a second before he mentioned there is still someone with magic they can use to save the people stuck in Traverse Town?

Gold likes HIMSELF this way, so yeah. The only person who actually matters to him (let's face it, he wants to own Belle, not really love her) likes him for who he is.

Then say that? He barely talks at all about the fact that he's powerless. And, since power is so core to his character, I figured it'd be a lot more shocking and upsetting to him.

Saw the finale. You guys really said all I could about the wishing fountain scene, that was embarrassing. I also fail to get how destroying magic would really fix anything. Sam Wentworth was a treat though, and The Evil Queen being a separate person from Regina is what should have been done to Rumpelstiltskin in the first place.

No, what should have been done to Rumplestiltzkin was to let him stay dead, not brought back to fall all over himself in walking backwards in his characterization.

Sorry, I meant what should have been done instead of reverting him back into a villain if you still wanted the actor on the show.

He should have been allowed to ditch the Dark One. He wasn't Dark last half-season. He'd lost the power. It should have stayed lost from him.

I just realized that since Sir Morgan is the Connecticut Yankee from Twain's books, it means his name is Hank, which is typically a nickname for Henry... awkward.

Also just as a funny aside, the guy who plays him also played Henry in the TV show Sanctuary.

Caught up after a bunch of backdoor searching online. What a terrible fate to have lost my TV while I'm still trying to keep up with shows.

So I don't get how the Evil Queen could survive after Regina crushed her heart (which didn't seem all that heroic to be honest). Unless Queenie is just so powerful that she can live without a heart.

Henry restoring New York City's faith in magic might have been cringey, but that might just be because he isn't as young as he was. Teenage boys aren't often the most hopeful kinds of kids.

What do I wish for now...uh, magic to take over the world?

I'm assuming that she's some kind of magical construct so the normal rules of 'biology' (or biology as far as Once is concerned) is irrelevant.

I thought Hyde was a scientific construct. Brought out with a potion instead of a spell...

Hyde and the Evil Queen are Jekyll's and Regina's worst sides, but when they're pulled out, they become their own people.

The scene at the fountain was corny, but it does go with the fact that Henry is supposed to have the heart of a true believer.

The heart of the truest believer.

You wipe his memory and he'll still believe in magic. You wipe his memory and age him a few decades and he'll still believe in magic. You wipe his memory and age him a few decades and steal his home and his family and his legs from him and he'll still believe in magic.

Faith can be corny. Especially in cynical New York City. But sometimes you need somebody to act naive and hopeful to make things happen.

I still think Henry's Dark Side form would be Kylo Ren.

The problem is that a scene like that is 'cute' and certainly would make sense for Henry at the beginning of the series when he's younger.

But, he's, what? 16 by now? Its not cute anymore. Its weird. And feels like he needs to grow up. The writer's don't know how to write an older Henry and I think they should just put Henry on a Bus until they can sort it out and the actor can make his way through puberty.

It's definitely weird, but that's kind of the point. They'd be less willing to indulge him now that he's older, but he still believes. You'd think a kid would grow out of believing things like that.

It's an awkward time, adolescence. People stop listening to you when you get older, because they expect that you can do things for yourself.

But Henry's always been an inspirer. Even when he's doing, he's trying to inspire.

edited 23rd May '16 4:16:04 PM by Keybreak

He needs to inspire in ways that don't look cringe-worthy.

I don't think its the point though. The show never acknowledges how inane the whole thing was. It just works because the show tells us it works. It plays it completely straight. That's the problem.

I don't mind that Henry is 'the truest believer' or whatever nonsense that doesn't really make sense considering he's had lots of doubts of faith in everyone in the past. But, that doesn't mean he can just get everyone to believe with him just because he says so or wants it to be so.

He gets up on a statue and just tells people to start throwing money into the fountain. For what reason or logic? None. I wouldn't believe this happening in any city or even in the Enchanted Forest let alone New York City 'Cynics-Ville USA'.

And I don't think the audience is wrong for finding it cringeworthy and awkward. The showrunners need to mature the concept of who Henry is as a character entirely. He needs a rework and this whole scene at the fountain is the biggest evidence of that.

I thought maybe they did it to humor him.

Well plenty of other things have bothered me about about Once Upon a Time. Storybrooke's chronic missing citizens problem, Emma's devolution into a miserable side heroine, Gold's unwillingness to ever change...but those are things I just pass over.

I'll probably stick it out for another season. ;p I can't see it on TV anymore, so anything I can catch online...

Considering he author which means he essentially is recording what many would have believed to be fictional events not sure if change is required. Getting older does not require a person to change everything about themselves.

As cheesy as it was it fit with the general role of his character. He believes and that being the reason he played such a crucial role in the neverland plot. Everyone got swept up in what he was saying and for a few seconds believed in magic. That is practically what an illusionist or magician does if I am not mistaken. He never doubted magic he just decided that it caused more trouble then it was worth having around.

Those regular people believed about as long as the average person would believe a magic act of a famous magician.

edited 23rd May '16 7:59:13 PM by Darthwyn

But that role need to evolve.

Henry in general is a WOEFULLY underdeveloped character. He doesn't have much personality or much to add to the group dynamics. What are his interests? His hobbies? His dreams for the future? Who are his friends? At school? Does he even go to school anymore??? What is (was) his relationship to Robin? Zelina? Ruby? Belle?

Henry is more of a role in the plot than a character. He's the kid. He's the 'heart'. He's Emma's kid so we of course care about him as the audience, if AT LEAST because Emma and everyone else cares if you're going to be that cynical. He's the never wrong moral that can do no wrong and, if he does, its brushed aside or glossed over just what a boneheaded or stupid decision he made. If Henry doesn't like you, you're probably not a good person anyway. He hasn't had anything to do for the last season or so, so I can't blame Jared Gilmore for his performances. Especially when they keep setting them up to develop his character and they just... don't.

He has had his moments of good character. I remember when he was a very conflicted individual over his relationship with Regina back in Season 1 and Season 2. That showed some genuine character. His scene in Rumple's shop COULD have been a good character scene... had it been built into and had Jared Gilmore better acting chops (Sorry Jared, but that speech needed emotion, and desparation and neutral blank face wasn't working).

His set up to be trained by David with a sword (back in Season 2) would have been great character development for two woefully underdeveloped characters and seeing Robin and Neal train Henry would have given those two characters something to do when the writers were starving them.

Cute kid Henry who gives the whole cheesy 'believe in yourself' speech that makes us go 'd'aw, he really believes in them' was cute. WAS. He's older now. Not only has that 'cute' card been played out by now, Henry is older and he needs to take that role of 'heart' and 'truest believer' (assuming that the character will keep the same general role) and evolve it instead of being so static. He needs to become a teenager and a young man and figure out what that means to Henry as a character. Because he needs to get character. And fast.

edited 24th May '16 5:48:09 PM by InkDagger

Ok, is just me or Hades and zelena and James and cruella seen more healthy than rumple and bella? I mean both like each other, they seen respect being villian and cruella look permanly turn on by James cruelty.....

HOW THAT HAPPEN? HOW YOU MAKE A MURDER AND EVIL TWIN HAVE MORE CHEMESTRY? ughhhhhhhhhh

on the other hand I cant be mad at rumple consider this show just redeem Cora, you know the sociopath who probably let a bunch of people there in the underworld? is hard to care if a person is evil or not a this point.

Also it seen Zelena and Regina almost blast each other, it seen that part of "Magic is evil" just dont aply to her....damn