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Qeise Professional Smartass from sqrt(-inf)/0 Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
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#151: Oct 7th 2011 at 11:48:44 AM

Don't use Libya as a baseline. Quite a few revolutions were successful regardless what the military did. (In some cases like the American Revolution, the rebels became the military.)
Let's make a list of democratic non-oppressive governments which have risen by violent revolution.

1. USA.

Ok, any others?

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SavageHeathen Pro-Freedom Fanatic from Somewhere Since: Feb, 2011
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#152: Oct 7th 2011 at 12:04:04 PM

Latin America violently seceded from the Spanish in the 19th century. Romania violently overthrew Ceaucescu. Quite a few tyrants have been violently overthrown throughout history.

edited 7th Oct '11 12:04:17 PM by SavageHeathen

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USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#153: Oct 7th 2011 at 12:05:29 PM

Edit: Never mind.

edited 7th Oct '11 12:05:47 PM by USAF713

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lordGacek KVLFON from Kansas of Europe Since: Jan, 2001
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#154: Oct 7th 2011 at 12:08:27 PM

Since this is a discussion on gun control, if nobody said that before (I'm thread-hopping here), then I'll point out the revolt in question should be done primarily by armed civilians, not the army turning rebel.

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Qeise Professional Smartass from sqrt(-inf)/0 Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
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#155: Oct 7th 2011 at 12:14:06 PM

Thanks for the examples Savage. Thoug I must regretfully note that it just occurred to me that the US government born from the revolution wasn't really a non-oppressive government. My sincere apologies to all African Americans and women.

edited 7th Oct '11 12:14:45 PM by Qeise

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USAF713 I changed accounts. from the United States Since: Sep, 2010
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#156: Oct 7th 2011 at 12:16:15 PM

It was non-oppressive by the standards of the time, which is saying quite a bit considering the period...

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breadloaf Since: Oct, 2010
#157: Oct 7th 2011 at 12:36:22 PM

Okay but that goes to show gun control is perfectly fine then because the governments were overthrown despite major gun control.

lordGacek KVLFON from Kansas of Europe Since: Jan, 2001
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#158: Oct 7th 2011 at 12:40:00 PM

I don't know the details of Romanian takeover, but I wouldn't put money on it succeeding thanks to the civilians owning a noticeable number of weapons.

([down] okay, so I came late, so I won't dig up this thread but just edit this post. Black market in guns in Warsaw Pact, a massive one? That's news to me.)

edited 9th Oct '11 12:03:44 PM by lordGacek

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SavageHeathen Pro-Freedom Fanatic from Somewhere Since: Feb, 2011
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#159: Oct 7th 2011 at 12:55:21 PM

Warsaw Pact countries had such an amount of black market guns it's not even funny. Same goes for Latin America's successive revolutions, especially in the 19th and 20th centuries.

edited 7th Oct '11 12:56:34 PM by SavageHeathen

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