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garglewargle Since: Jun, 2011
#1: Sep 30th 2011 at 4:04:55 PM

If a man is born without a penis and testicles would he still be called a man. Is this different from men who have had theirs forcibly removed?

  • On a side note, is it possible for a woman to be born without a vagina (or at least a uterus)?

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#2: Sep 30th 2011 at 4:09:47 PM

I am glad you asked.

Basically yes on all accounts.

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#3: Sep 30th 2011 at 4:20:46 PM

Umm... I should going into detail about child born intersex but I don't really know where to start.

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LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#4: Sep 30th 2011 at 4:55:48 PM

Yeah, there are all sorts of conditions you can be born with that deviate from the usual sex organs. It's controlled by hormones in very early development.

Interestingly, the default configuration is female. The presence of testosterone makes a fetus male, and the absence makes it female.

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#5: Sep 30th 2011 at 4:59:52 PM

But it is oppostie in birds!

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#7: Sep 30th 2011 at 6:45:46 PM

^That would explain so, so much.

Katrika Since: Jul, 2009
#8: Sep 30th 2011 at 7:00:22 PM

Also, this depends on whether you mean sex or gender. I assume physical sex, though.

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BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
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#9: Sep 30th 2011 at 7:04:44 PM

OK, serious response to OP:

If a man is born without a penis and testicles would he still be called a man.

Evidently; you just called him one.

I think he generally would be, perhaps in the interest of sensitivity, or for the sake of simplicity if nothing else.

Is this different from men who have had theirs forcibly removed?

In terms of the word used? Probably not. If your hand gets cut off you don't magically change gender; don't see why losing your dick would be any different.

In other respects (physically, psychologically, etc.) it's probably a lot different.

On a side note, is it possible for a woman to be born without a vagina (or at least a uterus)?

Yes, it's medically possible.

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#10: Sep 30th 2011 at 7:07:37 PM

In terms of gender, rather than sex, it depends on the nature of the disorder involved. This one produces female-looking, genetically male individuals who typically identify as male, but this one usually (and that's usually) produces genetic males who identify as female.

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LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#11: Sep 30th 2011 at 7:27:55 PM

It's also possible to be born with two uteri, and two vagini (is that the correct plural for vagina?). Women with that can still have sex and get pregnant and everything.

edited 30th Sep '11 7:28:38 PM by LoniJay

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#12: Sep 30th 2011 at 7:30:05 PM

I think he or she would be called whatever he or she wanted to be called. He or she would probably get an operation to set that into stone, though...

In terms of technical sex, I think at that point I'd just go by physical characteristics (i.e. if he's more male than female, the term is "he," whereas if she's more female than male, the term is "she").

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GardenGnome Impressive Title (1) Since: Sep, 2009
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#13: Sep 30th 2011 at 7:44:17 PM

Or go gender neutral and use ze (instead of he or she) and hir (instead of him or her)

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#14: Sep 30th 2011 at 7:46:18 PM

Those just sound like mispronounced/foreign equivalents to "he" and "she," though...

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Katrika Since: Jul, 2009
#15: Sep 30th 2011 at 7:52:36 PM

Also, people who identify as either male or female might become insulted at that.

Incidently, there once was a (mental) adrogyne on these forums who preferred 'it' over all else, so it really DOES depend on the person. Some might very well prefer ze, or even they (singular).

edited 30th Sep '11 7:56:54 PM by Katrika

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