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TheEarthSheep Christmas Sheep from a Pasture hexagon Since: Sep, 2010
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#1: Sep 18th 2011 at 4:42:37 PM

And I'd prefer one of our Islamic tropers answers this one, but anyone is cool:

How strict is the 'five prayers a day, at the right times' rule? Like, I assume just blowing it off is wrong, but then I also assume if you're in the middle of a battle you can just forget it. So what's the cut-off?

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Zersk o-o from Columbia District, BNA Since: May, 2010
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#2: Sep 18th 2011 at 4:44:17 PM

Depends on who you ask, I guess. :/ (As with anything.)

I think usually if you have no way of doing it, you try to make up for it later.

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Justice4243 Writer of horse words from Portland, OR, USA Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Brony
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#3: Sep 18th 2011 at 4:57:03 PM

Zersk's second sentence is consistent with what I've heard.

Actually the rules are all in the Qu'ran...I'll see if I can identify where.

I believe there are actual rules for making up a missed prayer, and I KNOW there are rules for doing shortened prayers while traveling, etc...

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Justice4243 Writer of horse words from Portland, OR, USA Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Brony
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#4: Sep 18th 2011 at 5:28:40 PM

Correction.

Most of the missed rules seem to come from Hadiths. Hence variations due to different sects having different hadiths and debate over different hadith verses.

The quicker methods for purifying oneself before prayers is in the Qur'an, however:

4:43 (Asad) O YOU who have attained to faith! Do not attempt to pray while you are in a state of drunkenness, [54] [but wait] until you know what you are saying; nor yet [while you are] in a state requiring total ablution, [55] until you have bathed - except if you are travelling [and are unable to do so]. But if you are ill, or are travelling, or have just satisfied a want of nature, [56] or have cohabited with a woman, and can find no water - then take resort to pure dust, passing [there­with] lightly over your face and your hands. [57] Behold, God is indeed an absolver of sins, much-forgiving.

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#5: Sep 18th 2011 at 7:57:41 PM

The 5 daily prayer is compulsory. There are various ways to perform it depending on conditions. In the most extreme it could be performed by heart.

To add to Justice 4243
Shortening prayers during travel is only applicable to prayers with 4 rakaʿah. This is called qasar.

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Justice4243 Writer of horse words from Portland, OR, USA Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Brony
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#6: Sep 18th 2011 at 8:09:55 PM

Raka’ah are the prescribed movements and words followed by Muslims during salah (worship).”

I’m just adding this ‘cause I’m not sure how familiar people are with the term. Especially since I never heard of it until I read it in the post above this one. tongue

edited 18th Sep '11 8:10:20 PM by Justice4243

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TheEarthSheep Christmas Sheep from a Pasture hexagon Since: Sep, 2010
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#7: Sep 20th 2011 at 4:27:04 PM

[up][up] So if you're in the middle of a battle or something, you just go over the prayer in your mind, or do you just pray extra later?

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#8: Sep 20th 2011 at 7:56:04 PM

The description of prayer during battle.

When conditions does not allow this, then the prayer can be done through combination of gestures and recitations while doing anything necessary for the battle.

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TheEarthSheep Christmas Sheep from a Pasture hexagon Since: Sep, 2010
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#9: Sep 20th 2011 at 8:10:03 PM

Thank you.

Making sure I have this right,

Rak'ah is the motion you make during prayer, and sajdah is lying prostrate in the direction of Mecca, and so if you were to follow the directions in the link, you'd:

  • 0) Leave half of your force fighting the enemy, and retreat a bit behind the front line.
  • 1) Bow with hands on knees
  • 2) Stand up again
  • 3) Lie prostrate (this is the first sajdah)
  • 4) Lift your head up from prostration
  • 5) Go back into prostration (second sajdah)
  • 6) Stand back up
  • 7) Return to the fray while your imam kneels and recites the tashahud and taslim
  • 8) The other half of your force repeats this process

Is this right?

Edit: I forgot that the wiki doesn't like numbered lists.

edited 20th Sep '11 8:10:51 PM by TheEarthSheep

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Justice4243 Writer of horse words from Portland, OR, USA Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Brony
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#10: Sep 20th 2011 at 8:24:36 PM

Use " # " in place of " * " and you will have numbers.

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#11: Sep 20th 2011 at 8:30:11 PM

A rak'ah is a portion of the prayer consisting of standing once, bowing once and prostrating twice.

You got that right. Just that the ones returning after the imam finish now perform the prayer on their own. Not following the imam.

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Trotzky Lord high Xecutioner from 3 km North of Torchwood Since: Apr, 2011
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#12: Sep 21st 2011 at 2:13:15 AM

So it's like that scene in Zulu, "Front rank, FIRE! Middle rank, FIRE! Rear rank, FIRE!"

And if Christians did it, it would be "Front rank HAIL. Second rank, MARY, third rank, FULL OF GRACE".

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TheEarthSheep Christmas Sheep from a Pasture hexagon Since: Sep, 2010
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#13: Sep 21st 2011 at 7:26:35 AM

Alright thanks.

Can I request a lock?

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