Marvel Cinematic Universe

I'm just gonna take Steve's side.

Last time Tony wanted to do something for the world's security, it apmost destroyed Earth. XP

And I always thought that every law needs some wriggle room in order to allow humanity in judging.

Isn't Ross in this film too? As far as I can remember, movie!Ross (at least the Sam Elliot version from the first Hulk) is actually really reasonable. He's a Reasonable Authority Figure trying to deal with a rage-monster that can fight entire armies and win, who happens to trapped in a normal guy. He's playing a balancing act between salvaging the Hulk for weapons research, trying to do right by Bruce for his daughter's sake, and neutralizing a major threat to the human race.

I never saw the second movie, did he go off the deep end in that one?

edited 26th Nov '15 7:51:44 AM by JBC31187

That said, Tony's side appears to be stronger. XD

MCU Ross was noticeably an asshole who wanted to capture and weaponize Banner in order to give his career a boost. Maybe he's gotten better since then, but not sure.

edited 26th Nov '15 7:53:40 AM by nervmeister

The first Hulk movie is not considered part of the MCU. That's why the second is called "The Incredible Hulk". And in this one, he is pretty much the antagonist.

Whichever side he's on, Tony should be prohibited from making any sort of overtechnology equipment. XD

He's also the one responsible for not only the Abomination's existence but the Hulk's as well. With the Abomination he gave Blonsky a version of the serum that made him addicted to super powers and with the Hulk he didn't even tell Banner what he really needed him to create.

They should probably just have Pepper run the show. I'd trust her more than Tony.

Bailey: "Seriously, Tony, just do the world a solid and stop working!"

edited 26th Nov '15 8:16:39 AM by nervmeister

Pepper seriously needs to show up again one of these days. We haven't seen her since Iron Man 3, that's just wrong.

Yeah, MCU Ross is a dick whose stubborn selfishness makes life worse off for a lot of people. He's not evil, but he has a very self-centered and militaristic worldview and mostly cares about the Hulk for the weapon value, as well as the personal glory of being the one to successfully bring back the super-soldier.

I think Talbot as seen in Agents of SHIELD might have been a better choice for the kind of role Ross seems to have here. Talbot may be just as stubborn and quick to action even when unnecessary, but his reasons are more genuine - he truly does think that his targets are dangerous and need to be controlled for more or less sincere reasons, and wouldn't feel like he had an ulterior movie.

On the other hand, I really, really, really hope they don't retcon Ross as being HYDRA. I like how he's a flawed but not horrible individual, spurred on by mistakes and personal failings rather than outright evil or cruelty - the MCU doesn't have a whole lot of those. Plus it would make The Consultant stop making sense.

edited 26th Nov '15 8:37:46 AM by KnownUnknown

But that would involve having Gwyneth Paltrow in a movie.

@Nervmeister -

And yeah, I would like to see Pepper again.

I think Gwyneth Paltrow said she was good with four movies now? Felt like she wanted to take a break.

Kinda feels like something I brought up is getting buried. So...

Hey, about the possible Moon Knight series on Netflix, if they're gonna have a scene with this line:

I have a feeling that they might have to replace the very last word since they sort of really use that very word on Jessica Jones. Probably with something like "So be happy."

Hasn't there been, like, zero word on any sort of Moon Knight series? Just a bunch of fans going, "Wouldn't it be neat if ..."

Yeah. Nothing has been said about Moon Knight at all.

Around the time Age of Ultron came out she mentioned she might be getting too old to be doing these movies, in her opinion at least.

It would be really neat if, but I don't know if they want to.

Anyway... if the series actually became a legitimate thing, I doubt we would see Mr. Spector until after Iron Fist. I mean it could come before, but I don't think it would.

edited 26th Nov '15 1:43:19 PM by yellowturtle

I'd like to see her at least one more time, whenever Robert Downey Jr. has his final appearance as well.

Huh. I heard the only reason she wasn't in AOU was because Whedon never asked her to come back.

Okay, I read that as "Asked her never to come back."

It could be a money thing as well. There's already so much cash being spent in these movies that it might not seem worth it to the bean counters to pay supporting cast members and love interests to show up for glorified cameos. I'm still impressed that they tried to have Tom Hiddleston do a one day cameo in AOU.

The first Avengers movie was already pretty light on the other characters' supporting casts.

edited 26th Nov '15 2:49:07 PM by nervmeister

It would be so clinched if Loki pulls a Heroic Sacrifice in the Infinity War, allowing The Avengers to win against Thanos. XD