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Okay, but whether or not you think the writing was hokey doesn't change how much agency Gwen has one way or the other. Heck, the original Death of Gwen Stacy comic was about as hokey as hokeyness can get.

I forgot about the SUDDEN PLANE DRAMA.

You didn't understand my post, it's okay.

Really, anything looks less hokey next to "YOU KILLED THE WOMAN I LOVE!" *shakes fist at the heavens*

(But yes, you're right, the plane drama was stupid.)

edited 27th May '15 8:17:47 AM by spashthebandragon

Yay, common ground.

"GET BACK HERE, GOBLIN! GOOOOOOOOOOOOBLIIIIIIIIIIIIIN! YOU CAN'T ESCAPE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! I'LL CHASE YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EEEEEEEAAAAAAAARTH!"

And then he did. And then the Goblin died.

I mean, he got better due to shitty retcons in a desperate bid to end the Clone Saga years later, but still, that was pretty definitive. Norman fridges Gwen and receives stabby bits jammed through his crotch. Harry fridges Gwen and receives a starring role in his own spin-off movie.

There was just so much wrong with how that movie played that.

edited 27th May '15 8:26:44 AM by TobiasDrake

Well, if it's any consolation, I'll be genuinely shocked if Harry's spin-off movie ever sees the light of day, at least with him as the lead actor and stuff.

True, but I can still blame them for trying.

It doesn't matter now since the AS Mverse is dead but I still think they made a big mistake by not saving Gwen's death for 3.

I found it refreshing that they avoided for once the whole "someone we know is on the plane" nonsense. It is not needed.

Neither were the planes, but you made a good observation. At any rate, I think it's just a matter of time before the Sinister Six spin-off is cancelled.

I think the most likely scenario is the Sinister Six movie getting folded into MCU Spider-Man 2 or 3 rather than being thrown out completely.

It's a citywide blackout. A lot of people are in danger. Every hospital in New York just lost life support, for example. God help you if you were undergoing surgery when the power went out. We can assume lives are in jeopardy without having to come up with contrived scenarios to justify the tension.

If nobody we know or care about is on the planes, and none of the heroes are aware the planes are in danger, and the villain isn't even consciously aware that he's endangering the planes, then the planes are a waste of screentime.

edited 27th May '15 8:43:54 AM by TobiasDrake

I don't think so. Because the audience needs to get reminded of it to ramp the tension up a little bit. Not the most elegant way to do it, but Gwen would look way less heroic without a visual reminder of how many people she saved.

Captain Stacy didn't look less heroic for the fact that the first movie didn't have frequent cutaways to a schoolbus full of kids and a lizard monster lumbering towards them that nobody knew existed but would only be stopped by Spidey releasing the cure.

Risking his life fighting the murderous reptile was heroic enough.

edited 27th May '15 8:50:28 AM by TobiasDrake

The movie had a if you really think about it pretty pointless scene of the Lizard turning a bunch of police officer which was just there to show what the result will be when he manages to spread the stuff all over the city. The planes have the same function.

Alas, movie Captain Stacy.

We barely knew ye and then ye died.

Right, but the Lizard turning the police into lizard monsters was a deliberate act on his part. It established how dangerous he and his chemicals are, his willingness to use them, and why the police failed to stop him. There were a lot of points to that scene.

Even Electro was entirely ignorant of the impending plane crash. This isn't like the Lizard spraying some officers with his chemicals; this is like some rioters taking advantage of the chaos to loot some businesses. It's entirely incidental to the actual conflict.

edited 27th May '15 8:58:12 AM by TobiasDrake

You mean the guy who was responsible for the electric network of the city had no idea what would happen if he shut it down? While he certainly doesn't know about this particular planes, he certainly knows "I have just caused chaos and people will die".

There is a lot one can criticize about the movie, but here I see zero problem.

Spider-Man, Gwen, and Electro knows he's affecting the city, not the planes. The planes are overwrought because only the audience knows about them. That's all we're criticizing.

edited 27th May '15 9:11:44 AM by VeryMelon

Yes, but the planes stand symbolically for the whole city.

But the actual city is right there.

Yeah, there were scenes of Aunt May working at the hospital, so the plane scenes were pretty redundant.

And with Aunt May at the hospital (not as a patient for once, good adaptation, have a cookie), isn't that all the connection the movie needs to the stakes?

dangit

edited 27th May '15 9:14:00 AM by Bocaj