Turning tricks for tuition

I think it's mostly an act.

Anyhow, you have a set of options for your degree... Have rich parents, whore yourself out, take out loans, pay your own way bit by bit, or get shot at for a few years.

Conscription is wrong, because you aren't giving people a choice and they have to make decisions and be exposed to things that can dramatically change their life for the worse.

Prostitution is wrong on the same principle, it's wrong if you don't have a choice, but if you do it as a means to an end and understand what it is you're getting into, more power to you.

edited 2nd Aug '11 7:03:51 PM by Barkey

what knapping flint

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I am pretty sure it's older than flint tools.

Well, types of monkey have been known to practice it.

Be not afraid...

The only objection I have against prostitution is that 90% of it happens without people knowing about it, even in countries where it's legal.

It's a dangerous thing, despite what certain people with a vested interest in the profession claim.

Peer pressure is actually incredibly high, if you get a client and he wants to be sucked off without a condom, you refuse... but will you refuse if the other girls do it? What about the price that's being paid, what if your client is willing to pay more for it? If you ask people they'll all say that they would never do it, but once you've crossed that line, it's easier and easier to keep pushing your personal boundaries and crossing them and redefining them.

You can't guarantee that a condom isn't going to break, you can't guarantee that your client isn't someone who has AIDS or HIV. It's a dangerous profession. You can legalize it, you can regulate it, you can have constant check-ups and whatnots, but you can't guarantee you won't catch an STD.

Girls who turn tricks to get themselves through college are putting themselves in danger. And no, they might not realize it fully. When you've hit rock-bottom there's only one way and that's up. You're a whore in the eyes of the world, you are for sale. Money decides what you're going to do, not morals, not ethics, but money and the person who's holding it. You want to believe differently, and it will always look good on paper, but reality is a fickle thing.

I've worked with girls who have been forced into prostitution by shady boyfriends, and those girls never fully recover. They were manipulated into doing something they didn't quite understand. They got stomped on, and everything they said they would never do, they've ended up doing it. Why? Because there is such a thing as a slippery slope, because you do get pushed to constantly cross the line you drew yourself. It's not a fun thing to see, it's horrendous to hear, and it's heartbreaking to realize that there are more of them out there who are still stuck and might never come out of it.

By the way, the same goes for men. I know a couple of people who love sex, who ended up being male prostitutes and they look back on those days with utter and complete disgust, and thankful that they didn't end up with an STD or an addiction.

Prostitution, you can sell it on paper, but don't talk about how glorious and noble and utterly normal it is, or should be, or could be, without talking to the victims.

You can't guarantee that a condom isn't going to break, you can't guarantee that your client isn't someone who has AIDS or HIV. It's a dangerous profession. You can legalize it, you can regulate it, you can have constant check-ups and whatnots, but you can't guarantee you won't catch an STD.

Neither can people who are in monogamous relationships. Prostitution is a job, a forms of income like any other; supply and demand are king. If a woman(or a dude...ha) are willing to take advantage of it to make some money, more power to them.

edited 3rd Aug '11 2:36:43 AM by Kino

If you can't see the difference between "having a monogamous relationship" and "prostitution"... you need to get your head looked at.

And yes, I know what you meant, you meant that people can always cheat, but I'm still saying, if you can't see the difference, you need to get your head looked at. Also, good job ignoring the rest of the post.

edited 3rd Aug '11 2:43:41 AM by Esteban009

I know that they're different, I also know that the same issues are present in both types of relationships.

As for the rest of the post, let me see if this sums it up "girls are forced into prostitution, their bf's are dicks, rah rah.....they're the scum of the earth." That about good enough? You know that there are women who decide to become prostitutes of their own volition right? To them it's just another means to an end.

edited 3rd Aug '11 2:47:42 AM by Kino

I'm inclined to believe the guy who actually knows some prostitutes.

That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something Awful

No, what he's saying is that sometimes people get into a job that they don't really understand, that has a nasty underbelly, and in which they often find their standards slipping due to peer pressure, because they feel like it's the best option they have.

Be not afraid...

So both of us?

That's what health and safety inspectors are for.

If it's legal you can get people to stop it. While it's illegal, the barriers to moving into a more mainstream line of work will remain.

As far as college jobs go, it doesn't seem any more humiliating than working in fast food. According to the article, these girls aren't standing on the street corner turning tricks with strangers. Apparently they hook up with older men who pay them money for sex and companionship. It's more like they're "renting" themselves out on a regular basis to one man at a time.

On the surface, what's the difference between doing that and having a boyfriend with money who pays for an apartment and living expenses? They're not being coerced, they can leave at any time, and if they didn't want to do it they can seek other options. It's a matter of fact that there aren't a lot of jobs out there for college students that pay what these girls can get for becoming some older guy's mistress.

I do suspect that the girls may have some emotional problems and may have difficulty in the future forming healthy relationships in the future, but it's their choice and it's not my or anybody else's place to judge them.

What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.

Since the first time around it fell on deaf ears, let me restate: the education ruse, at least for some such as the one mentioned in the article quoted in the OP, is a front to make the hook more palatable. Some are turning tricks because it appears convenient, not because there is truly no other way to pay for a degree.

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?

ST Ds are an occupational hazard of being a prostitute (or a john for that matter). Hazard of having sex in general.

Anyway, this particular kind of prostitution is a victimless crime. I'd have it prosecuted, but only after prostitution is legalized (because then, the students are violating licensing regulations). This isn't a situation where we need brave regulators to protect the women from their own sinful natures.

@ Loni Jay: monkeys use flint?

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No, prostitution.

Be not afraid...

There is also a species of fish that trades sex for food. More food, more sex.

Incidentally, the other advantage of legalisation is it reduces the financial benefit of prostitution over other jobs since you no longer get to keep 100% of your asking price. This allows other careers to compete.

Spiders also trade food for sex, though it's actually more trading food for "not being eaten after/during sex".

Point that somewhere else, or I'll reengage the harmonic tachyon modulator.

Saw it the first time. Just didn't see anything to comment on. If they're not doing it out of any sort of actual financial need, this is even more of a non-issue than I thought. Might as well be talking about some high school kid getting a summer job at Burger King so they've got more to spend on X-Box games(or whatever the latest console is).

My point likewise.

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?

It's no wonder nobody acknowledged your post, then. It's kind of like when people post in a thread for the sole purpose of objecting to the thread's existence.

edited 4th Aug '11 3:50:20 AM by Tongpu

Except that there is no parallel whatsoever, my response being levelled at the source of the thread rather than the thread itself. I understand why you may be confused, though.

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?

Does it really make that much difference that she's making more than her break-even level, if she couldn't have broken even otherwise?