himitsu keisatsu
Autism is now used to refer to a wide variety of mental conditions, but that's the most basic definition of it. You can get it from the word itself, by the by.
However, I fail to see how that doesn't describe a girl who clearly has problems expressing herself and who 'doesn't care about people' and thus has trouble forming relationships.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Troll Logician
I guess because I'm thinking of her relationship problems as psychological, rather than genetic.
That is to say, she's this way because of her upbringing, not because of the way she was raised. Her genes, I mean, that typo.
(Pretty sure autism is like a genetic thing, you either had it from birth or not, even if it takes a while to show up.)
Edit: I'll be the first to say I have no idea what the heck autism is, though. Been reading about it for almost half an hour now, still don't see a single, concise definition.
edited 22nd Aug '15 1:00:32 PM by DNC
himitsu keisatsu
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Yes, but those don't get you special privileges or the government's money.
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Second thing about the fanfic that looks like I'm going to write after all. Not sure if this'll be the last scene in chapter one or if I'm going to fit a Naruto scene in there, though.
They were in the park next to the Academy, not being one of those lucky people with houses close by.
“Um… yes,” said Hinata, setting down her chopsticks.
As expected, even the lunchboxes of the rich looked different. Who puts rib eye in a lunchbox? Worse, she wasn’t even touching them. Kiba shook his head, when he got his ass into the Hokage chair, he was going to have steak for lunch every single day, and he was going to eat all of it, paper plate and maybe even chopsticks included.
“Nothing that important,” said Kiba. “Go ahead and keep eating.” Hinata gave him a weird look halfway between horrified and nauseated, as if the idea was a worm crawling up her arm. What the heck kind of manners did they teach in that big house of hers? Food was food, if you’re not eating, you’re being disrespectful to the most important thing in the world. Well, second most important.
Akamaru gave a cheerful bark from on top of Kiba’s head, as if sensing his thoughts.
Better make it quick, he supposed. No point making Hinata miss out on lunch.
“Do you like me?” asked Kiba.
Hinata’s went from white surprised to red embarrassed in the space of three seconds. Not the, ‘oh god the girl I like just confessed to me’ kind of embarrassed, more like the ‘oh god, this guy’s making a total fool of himself and I’m embarrassed for him’ kind of embarrassed. Jeez, nice to know how she thought of him.
“Um… I don’t hate you,” said Hinata, looking down at her lunch.
“What about Naruto?”
“…Huh?”
“Do you like Naruto,” said Kiba.
Hinata gave him the kind of look his sister usually used right before asking what he smoked that morning.
“She’s… nice?” said Hinata, tilting her head slightly.
“Okay, good, see you later.”
At least Hinata won’t be a problem, then. He didn’t really expect her to be, but then again, he hadn’t expected Naruto to dislike him so much she didn’t want to be on a team with him, either. Too bad Hana was too far away from him to pester, forcing him to figure out everything himself.
…Girls liked flowers, right?
“Okay, do you know where I can get three gallons of yogurt, a dozen paperclips, six yards of ninja wire, and a bouquet of… whatever flower girls like the most?” asked Kiba, arriving at the official unofficial meeting place him and the gang used whenever they skipped class. Tetsuko Barbeque might not be the best restaurant in town, but the owner was nice enough to let them hang out even if they didn’t buy anything.
Choji looked as cheerful as usual, digging into an extra-large order of barbeque pork. Shikamaru, on the other hand, was slowly whittling at his bowl of seaweed and tofu soup.
“This isn’t another of your hair brained plans to get Ino to date you, is it?” asked Shikamaru.
“Hey, the last one worked, didn’t it?” said Kiba, grinning.
“…If you could call that working. You know she only showed up to spike your food with laxatives, right?”
“Never tell me the details. Anyway, no, this isn’t about Ino. Akamaru?”
Hopping off the top of Kiba’s head, Akamaru flipped twice in the air before landing on the table, the photograph he stole from the admission’s office between his teeth.
“Naruto Uzumaki, age twelve, parents unknown, beat the shit out of us whenever one of us had to spar with her,” said Kiba, rather unnecessarily. “And she also hates my guts enough to ask for a different team.”
“There’s a difference between ‘a challenge’ and ‘impossible,’ Kiba,” muttered Shikamaru.
“She said sorry the time she knocked me out, seemed pretty nice to me,” said Choji. “Akamaru, want some barbeque? Anyway, have you thought about just asking her?”
“Why would anyone ever do that?” said Kiba, scratching his head. “I guess I’ll mark that down as plan ‘I hope I’m never desperate enough to resort to this,’ though. Anyway, yogurt, paperclip, bouquet of flowers, where to get. Spill.”
edited 22nd Aug '15 4:56:32 PM by DNC
Either the graduation age has been changed, or Naruto has been aged up two years and has been hanging around the academy instead of graduating for some reason.
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Nah, even Canon Naruto failed twice before. Pretty sure there isn't actually a 'graduation age' so much as a test you have to take before you can graduate. I mean, look at Kakashi, he was five or six when he graduated from the Academy.
Edit: Nevermind, I'm a total dumbfuck. You're right, I accidentally aged up Naruto two years.
edited 22nd Aug '15 4:57:05 PM by DNC
himitsu keisatsu
Graduation age is either 12 or 13. It's kinda inconsistent, and the problem lies on the fact that we don't know how much time passed between the graduation and the chunin exams. We know that Naruto is 16 during the War Arc and in fact reaches 17 in the second day.
The training trip was somewhere between two and a half years and three years. If Naruto starts the series at twelve, this means an entire freaking year needs to pass in order for the ages to match. So... yeah, Naruto would actually have had to be 14 or very close to it at the start of the series for the ages to match... that is, assuming that there's at least four months or so between the start of the series and the chunin exams.
You could probably stretch it to late 13 by inserting a lot more time between graduation and chunin exams (which is where we start getting definite timestamps through timeskips, IE, it's a month from the start to the war, it's a month from then until Tsunade's Hokage and it's 2 and then we get the two and a half/three years timeskip).
edited 22nd Aug '15 6:06:15 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
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An entire year actually could pass between start of series and the end of part one. There was like one or two months of timeskips between graduation and the Wave Mission, then another one or two months between wave and chunin exams. And even the search for tsunade is implied to have taken a long time, let's say 1-3 months. 3-7 months just from time skips that I remember.
A lot of the timeskips were footnote level timeskips, one textbox that told you a month passed between graduation and the Wave Mission, and another textbox that told you about a month of boring missions before the Chunin exam.
Assuming Naruto starting 12+ (as in, not literally turned 12 yesterday), he could easily age into the late 13s from part one. After that, assume 3 years for the training trip makes him 16, and then a bunch of time passed in part 2 making him 17 during the war.
edited 22nd Aug '15 6:42:00 PM by DNC
himitsu keisatsu
I never saw any of those so called footnote timeskips when I read the manga.
Furthermore, the search for Tsunade took one month. That's how long it canonically took Naruto to learn the Rasengan, and he learned it during that trip. Heck, it took him three weeks.
Also keep in mind that Part 2 is a very short time period, because things are happening so insanely fast. Hell, the entirety of the war took like two days in-universe.
edited 22nd Aug '15 6:51:01 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Troll Logician
Hmm, looking it over, I can't find them either. I must've misremembered.
(There's definitely a week between when Gaara & co. rolled into town and the Chunin exams, but that's insignificant.)
himitsu keisatsu
Let's put it in the simplest way:
The Naruto timeline is a horrible mess and you shouldn't try to make sense of it. Kishimoto didn't try at all, so why should we?
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Dread Lord
Actually, yeah, how long does Part 2 actually take in-universe? Like if we add together all of the known time periods it takes, what, a month, maybe two?
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Surely not, it's gotta be longer than that, right? Like, five? Five months for Naruto to go from fairly competent to jesus reborn strong?
I'm Ruthless.
I thought it took one year and half, with little timeskips before and after The Immortals Arc and another one before the War.
It's easy to be Jesus reborn strong when you powers are literally given by an Abraham Expy mixed with Buddha.
God, how I hate the Sage of the Six Paths.
edited 22nd Aug '15 8:28:49 PM by MeetTheNewBoss
You claim that God is opressing us, but I see you opressing others without needing a God.
Dread Lord
Okay let's run through the arcs here and give some really rough conservative guesses:
- Gaara Dies, for like ten minutes (start of part 2 - chapter 295ish, right before Sai goes to Orochimaru) - 1-2 weeks depending on how much travel time is involved
- Sasuke Returns! Finally... (296-315) - 1 week
- Shikamaru Shipuuden (316-342ish) - 1 week
- Orochimaru Dies, for like a hundred chapters (342ish-369) - 2 weeks, maybe, assuming a whooooole lotta jumping through trees
- Jiraiya Is A Boss Hour (370-383) - 1 week, concurrent with previous arc
- VENGEANCE! The Musical (383-402) - 1 day
- Toad Training Time with Naruto / Sasuke Rap Battles (403-419) - 1 week
- Naruto vs the Final Boss (420-450) - 1 day
- Sasuke Uchiha vs The World / Naruto Makes a Suicide Pact! (451-488) - 3 days, tops, probably more like 2
- -Naruto's Bankai Training- / Naruto's Funtime Family Flashbacks (489-504) - 1 day, maybe like three days of travel time before it?
- Yamato Gets Kidnapped! and no one notices because GUY VS SHARKMAN HYPE (505-514) - An afternoon, basically, round it up to 1 day
- War stuff happens, a stupid amount of people die, there's a bunch of flashbacks and shit, then the Tobi fight and then the Uchiha brothers tag-team Kabuto and then there's the Madara fight and then there's that whole thing with the zombie Kage and the flashbacks and whateverthefuck is up with Kaguya (516-700) - LITERALLY 2 DAYS
And that's Part II. Based on the really rough numbers and some slightly-inebriated mental math that's about 6-7 weeks by my reckoning.
Oh, but of course there's probably some implied timeskips in there which the narrative doesn't ever mention or acknowledge. So it might be longer than this, but it can't be by much once you hit Pain.
edited 22nd Aug '15 8:51:01 PM by moberemk
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I always thought his sage training took a month.
Sage training took a month in the same sense that Rasenshuriken training took a thousand years, aka Kage Bunshin no Jutsu abuse.
DNC? I like that Kiba.
Rather than smart, I'd prefer to be wise. It would let me be silly more often.
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Thanks :D.
Third scene of chapter one, not sure if I'm going to add a bit more to it. (That's it for chapter one, though, feels like enough for one chapter.) Gonna do a bit of polishing later, catching typos and what not, and then post the thing on fanfic.net
The kid cried, of course, and his mother shot her a few dirty looks, saying a few dirty words.
Naruto had known for a long time that all she had to do was nothing. Don’t think, don’t feel, don’t care. Don’t even breathe.
But humans can’t live like that. And she wanted so much to be human.
Sighing quietly, now that no one else could hear, Naruto slumped into her bed. And immediately got up again. Kurenai—-sensei? Not right now, at least—-said there was another test tomorrow, that they should sleep well, eat a full dinner, have a nice breakfast, but Naruto had other things to do.
Unimportant things. Perfectly routine. Just blood, sweat, and tears. Another afternoon of pushing herself more than she could bear, for a goal she had never believed in. Hokage, such a nice word. Fire and shadow, light and darkness. Was she reaching for the hat, or was the hat reaching for her?
Weights set to one hundred, her shoes properly tied, jacket fully unzipped, she set out.
Lights out, streets empty, the village hidden in the leaves was a different place in the dark. Trained killers stalked the night, jumping to and fro in eerie silence. Here and there, a single bright spot shined—-a drunken civilian, out past curfew; a red faced genin, trained a little too hard; a lost foreigner, trying around for directions, finding none—-all taken away by the faceless, soulless hunters in the night. Some will return in the morning, dearly regretting last night’s mistakes. Some won’t.
Sneakers clashing against roof tiles, Naruto leapt her way back home. The night knew better than to bother her.
edited 23rd Aug '15 12:13:55 PM by DNC
himitsu keisatsu
It wouldn't surprise me if Part 2 took place over two months. Maybe three.
And consider: The only reason Naruto wasn't completely freaking invincible when the manga began is that he's both incredibly dumb and incredibly lazy. Well, that, and everyone who should be helping him is lazier and/or dumber than he is.
himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
She's so weird. It just reeks of mary sue at this point.
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She's the villain, that said, I guess I need to tone it down a bit. (It's standard for the villain to be a few stages above the hero in terms of power level.)
Edit: What was the most 'Mary Suey' part about that scene? The weights? Her voice? The fact that she could sew a seam in under sixty seconds?
Cause even if she's meant to be relatively overpowered, she's not supposed to show it too much until she's actively opposing Kiba.
edited 23rd Aug '15 12:17:39 PM by DNC
Not so much "overpowered" than "designed to be as lovable as possible it thretens to choke on Willing Suspension of Disbelief". But then, everyone has their taste.
Huh... I guess I'll have to read up on autism, then. The google definition didn't sound like it'd fit her, so I figured that wasn't it.
Edit:
Double Edit: The more I read about autism, the more it sounds like a blanket thing that isn't actually a thing. It's like, 'people with autism can do X, Y, or Z, where X, Y, and Z collectively cover about 90% of the people I know.
edited 22nd Aug '15 12:49:16 PM by DNC