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Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
#246526: Jun 21st 2018 at 2:23:59 PM

It also depends on how familiar you are with Star Wars,also I might just be a tweeny wheeny bit cranky..it's been a long day OK!

New theme music also a box
Wariolander Since: Nov, 2017
#246527: Jun 21st 2018 at 2:24:27 PM

Would you rather them be called the Stormcloaks? Because the Democratic Party are closer to the Imperial Legion in ideals while the Republican Party are closer to the Stormcloaks.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
#246528: Jun 21st 2018 at 2:25:47 PM

I'd rather we'd refer to them by their actual names,it's easier all round

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#246529: Jun 21st 2018 at 2:28:25 PM

Ok this is getting silly, we cannot compare American politics to Skyrim's politics. The contexts simply are not comparable.

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#246530: Jun 21st 2018 at 2:32:29 PM

The problem with expecting the old guard Republicans to just die off is that as we've been seeing, the alt-right are actively recruiting from the younger generations in order to seed future flagbearers for their hateful ideology.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#246531: Jun 21st 2018 at 2:33:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv3ScKLD1Vc

This reminds me of this.

And yes, I mean the Democrats.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#246532: Jun 21st 2018 at 2:34:00 PM

[up][up]I haven't seen any empirical evidence to suggest that they're an electorally noteworthy demographic, the alt-right has only really gotten anything done by hijacking the standard Republican coalition.

edited 21st Jun '18 2:34:06 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#246533: Jun 21st 2018 at 2:35:10 PM

Well, maybe they don't have much influence now, but I am not looking forward to seeing what the mainstream American right-wing will look like in the next 20 years or so.

edited 21st Jun '18 2:35:37 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#246534: Jun 21st 2018 at 2:39:19 PM

Re Melania: When I first saw the headline I thought it would be about how her fashion choice was sending a poor message. I did not expect a literal "I Don't Care" printed on a jacket. This entire timeline has become a fucking farce.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#246535: Jun 21st 2018 at 2:40:07 PM

[up][up]Assuming that they must have influence in 20 years, as I said I'm not aware of any evidence they're gaining a noteworthy following of millennials (gen z is too young to be ascribed any real political views). The alt-right is in many ways a repackaging of bog-standard Republicanism in a new edgy format.

edited 21st Jun '18 2:40:53 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#246536: Jun 21st 2018 at 2:43:37 PM

Fair enough - I'll admit I'm imagining a nightmare scenario here, but these past couple of years have led me to treat nightmare scenarios with a bit more credulity.

Actually, this does raise an interesting point - what do mainstream conservative viewpoints look like among the younger generations (mainly millennials, but I am curious if there are any signs among the more politically active Gen Z kids) ?

edited 21st Jun '18 2:44:54 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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Imca (Veteran)
#246537: Jun 21st 2018 at 3:04:03 PM

[up] They think that all the problems have already been solved and that further pushes are discrimination in the other direction on social issues.

Unsure about economic ones other then the bog standard hatred of comunisim and worship of capatalisim since social issues come up way more with the yonger generations.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#246538: Jun 21st 2018 at 3:07:59 PM

Honestly I'm rather skeptical that "hatred of communism and worship of capitalism" is something common amongst millennials. Communism isn't really something taken seriously anymore and socialism as a concept has been thoroughly defanged by Republican overuse (and the fact that we grew up post- Cold War).

edited 21st Jun '18 3:08:07 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#246539: Jun 21st 2018 at 4:06:09 PM

I remember seeing something in this thread in the long-ago time of 2017, where Richard Spencer the Nazi shitstain expressed support for universal healthcare or something similar. I think on some level they're aware they're fucked in the current system- but they don't want to share with brown people or women. Nor do I believe that they're capable of cobbling a less-shitty system in their white utopia. The Confederacy was an oligarchy and these goosestepping morons would remain near the bottom.

In other news, one of my eyelids is sunburned and has been bothering me all day. I believe it's over 100 degrees where the concentration camps for kids are, but I didn't have the courage to check. I hate how my country is becoming more like itself.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#246540: Jun 21st 2018 at 4:09:53 PM

I remember seeing something in this thread in the long-ago time of 2017, where Richard Spencer the Nazi shitstain expressed support for universal healthcare or something similar. I think on some level they're aware they're fucked in the current system- but they don't want to share with brown people or women. Nor do I believe that they're capable of cobbling a less-shitty system in their white utopia. The Confederacy was an oligarchy and these goosestepping morons would remain near the bottom.
Oh absolutely, the one's who aren't expressly authoritarian are just delusional. Any ethnostate they create would inevitably become a oligarch hellhole (if doesn't just become outright autocratic).

In other news, one of my eyelids is sunburned and has been bothering me all day. I believe it's over 100 degrees where the concentration camps for kids are, but I didn't have the courage to check. I hate how my country is becoming more like itself.
You have my sympathy, and that's terrible.

I cannot wait for the midterms so I can vote against these fascists.

edited 21st Jun '18 4:10:02 PM by Fourthspartan56

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#246541: Jun 21st 2018 at 4:16:03 PM

[up][up][up] Actually from what I heard the american socialism party has actually grown quite considerably since Trump was elected (or more likely as a result of it).

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#246543: Jun 21st 2018 at 4:40:24 PM

[up]Here we go again... Florida Man is basically an anti-superhero who does the stupidest things imaginable, and even some things that are so incredibly moronic that they go far beyond human imagination.

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#246544: Jun 21st 2018 at 5:06:58 PM

New Randy Rainbow song.

It's more or less expresses the same idea as M84's tag.

edited 21st Jun '18 5:08:19 PM by megaeliz

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#246546: Jun 21st 2018 at 6:01:00 PM

Actually from what I heard the american socialism party has actually grown quite considerably since Trump was elected (or more likely as a result of it).

I hope so, America needs a stronger Left presence.

I don't mean this in a stupid "Both sides are the same" or "Democrats are feckless traitors" way. But right-wing capitalist thought has too much power. The Republican party's divided between racist capitalists and capitalist racists. The Democrats are much better, but I think the party as a whole is still bound to old American myths about the power of the free market to cure all ills. For example, President Obama's (actual) neoliberal Education department and the private schools.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#246547: Jun 21st 2018 at 6:12:35 PM

I'm a free market capitalist, and I can sort of get behind this. The free market doesn't cure all ills. One of its main weaknesses is that competitions eventually have winners. Letting a few bigshots decide things in the industry is not that much better than having an outright monopoly. Just look at the AAA gaming industry, something that is made worse by the lack of any meaningful regulation.

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JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#246548: Jun 21st 2018 at 6:17:34 PM

[up]Exactly. Or cable and internet.

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#246549: Jun 21st 2018 at 6:19:02 PM

[up][up]That, and some things will just never be profitable on their own-building and maintaining public infrastructure needs to be subsidized, because there is no incentive for a private company to maintain anything more than necessary; unless they establish such an overpowering monopoly that they functionally replace the government. Likewise, curing disease is not profitable, but providing mediocre treatments that keep people alive, sick, and requiring continuous treatment certainly is. Just look at the pharmaceutical industry in the US.

edited 21st Jun '18 6:19:33 PM by ViperMagnum357

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#246550: Jun 21st 2018 at 6:21:29 PM

I believe in capitalism.

Regulated production-based capitalism for the generation of wealth that can be shared.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.

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