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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
use political terms to describe, not insult
Remeber how Republicans in congress seem to only care about helping people when it's about them or people close to them? Well, there's exactly one healthcare related thing McConnell made sure was covered under Republicare.
Single payer wouldn't be destroying the healthcare market as much as nationalizing it; and if that would be for the betterment of the nation, so be it. Extraneous workers would obviously have to find jobs in new fields, which is unfortunate for them and their families, but that's a problem that more or less every trade deal ever also has, so arguing from the position of wanting to protect jobs in the insurance industry is a non-starter if you also support free trade deals, regardless of whether that argument is being framed in terms of pragmatism* or altruism**.
* Displacing these workers will likely cause them to vote Republican in greater numbers.
** Displacing a worker can really be disruptive to their lives, even if they ultimately don't have much trouble finding new work.
edited 25th Jun '17 1:04:32 PM by CaptainCapsase
Qatar diplomatic crisis: what are Trump's financial links to the region?
There is no evidence that Trump has been untruthful about his reasons to support the blockade. But the US State Department and the Pentagon – acutely aware of Qatar’s role hosting thousands of US and US-led coalition forces on a large airbase south-west of Doha – have taken different positions from the White House. A State Department spokeswoman recently said that the Saudi and UAE move against Qatar was “mystifying”.
It is clear that Trump does not have many business connections to Qatar. His son-in-law, Jared Kushner, reportedly sought but failed to entice Qatari investors to help recapitalise a huge investment in a New York property – 666 Fifth Avenue – that is laden with debt.
Saudi Arabia, however, has been an important partner to the president. In 1995, when Trump was struggling to make payments on one of his most important New York properties, the landmark Plaza Hotel, it was Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, a Saudi prince, who came to his rescue with an investment, which relegated Trump to a minority shareholder in the property. A few years earlier, in 1991, bin Talal bought a huge yacht, the Trump Princess, from creditors at a time when Trump’s other big venture, the Atlantic City casinos, were under pressure.
A lawsuit brought by two Democratic officials – from the US state of Maryland and the DC – named Saudi Arabia as one of several foreign countries that have made payments to Trump’s businesses in alleged violation of an anti-corruption clause in the US constitution. The lawsuit cites a public relations firm that was hired by Saudi Arabia that has spent $270,000 on rooms and meals at Trump’s DC hotel.
According to an account in the New York Times, Sajwani, who attended Trump’s New Year’s Eve party at Mar-a-Lago, offered to pay Trump an additional $2bn to develop more properties.
A 16 May post on Sajwani’s Instagram account showed him having a meal with Trump Jr, who Sajwani called his “dear friend and business partner”.
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Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin becomes 6th Republican to be against the Senate Healthcare Plan, wanting it to be delayed and worked on. Although Johnson appears to be a Conservative(/leaning Teapublican) Republican, when it comes to Healthcare, he seems more compassionate, as he is against closed door talks for Healthcare talks and has not supported trying to fund the Government by defunding Obamacare.
Currently, 54 Against (6 Reps, 46 Dems, 2 Independents) BRCA, and the closer we get to Thursday, the more Republicans drop support for the measure. Obamacare may be 'safe' until 2019.
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
Forgive my ignorance, but is there a reason that they couldn't do anything to it in between now and 2019?
Oh God! Natural light!
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Campaign Season, which actually takes a lot of time and resources away from the House and Senate. Technically, it's not impossible, but it would be more politically toxic to do it during Campaign Season that it would be to do it on Safe Years.
Also, on the 4th, their going on a 3 month Vacation, and when they return, they got to focus on the Fiscal Budget for 2018, or the Government will Shut Down.
edited 25th Jun '17 6:12:52 PM by DingoWalley1
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
Ah, okay. Makes sense.
Oh God! Natural light!
if the government shuts down no doubt they'll spin it to their benefit.
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
CBS News: Carrier workers facing layoffs feel betrayed by Trump.
I wonder what Trump would say if he was confronted with this...
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Have we got a list on how the republican dissenters breakdown as far as right-wing vs. moderate?
I'm also curious if the next funding gap has another risk of debt default involved with it like back in 2013. If so things could get hilariously bad, especially if Trump starts talking that old talk about renegotiating our debt seriously.
Oh, bother.
I know what he'd be thinking: "Suckers."
Cape Malleum Majorem
Yeah, he doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself.
He already talked about it a long while back shortly after he became president, going back on what he said and that he "didn't promise that for Carrier".
I assume he'd just keep denying it.
edited 25th Jun '17 7:11:26 PM by Draghinazzo
A procrastination in of itself
X5 So much for the doomsaying here previously that such people would blame Democrats.
People blame whoever is in charge when they loose their job, regardless of actual responsibility, now it's Trump's turn.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
The analysis is from a guy who did counter-propaganda in Iraq; dunno if the Post knows they're cribbing intellifence strategies but it's intriguing.
Pro-Trump group's health care offensive warns GOP senators to get in line. This just gets more disgusting every day. Hopefully Heller isn't intimidated by this blatant strongarm tactic.
edited 25th Jun '17 9:20:22 PM by speedyboris
@fruitpork: Not going to be easy. There's no one to pass the buck to, and it's really hard to blame Democrats for a government shutdown if the entire government is in Republican hands.
Obviously, the Foxosphere will do so, but the "swing voter?" She's gonna look at how the Republicans couldn't pass a budget with full control of the government.
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Even if Heller does, there are still 4 Teapublicans who won't vote for the Measure in it's current form, and they've got 5 Days to make it more Conservative then it already is. Doing so might make more Conservatives (Collins and Murkowski, specifically) not support the measure.
Also, I made a mistake by claiming Johnson was the 6th Senator to come out against the BCRA, he was one of the Teapublicans to come out of the gate and say it. My bad. It's still 5 Republicans against the measure, though...
people are already blaming the democrat for obstruct, as to give another advice in how to deal with authoritarians like Trump, is fanbase will only turn the moment their ases are on line, the problem will be when they insist they never liked trump to being with(because belive be, it will happen)
Which is kinda odd, in the sense that outside of Senate bills requiring 60 votes Democrats can't obstruct anything. The GOP's been its own worst enemy.
That said, it makes perfect sense if looked at through the "THEIR SIDE BAD!" mentality.
If you already have the narrative going that Obamacare is a useless and broken bill, and then paint the Democrats as lazy political grubbers who aren't willing to help the Republicans fix something that needs to be fixed, then yeah, you can easily spin that to blame the Democrats.
If Obamacare is a flawed but currently acceptable bill, the Republicans scrambling to ruin it and failing despite owning the whole government is them shooting themselves in the feet.
If Obamacare is a horrible disaster of a bill that needs to be fixed, but the Republicans can't because the Democrats aren't willing to help fix up the broken crap they shoved into law in the first place, then the story is a lot different, see?
edited 25th Jun '17 11:18:58 PM by RedSavant
It's been fun.
Oh, bother.
One could however spin that as "The ACA may be messed up, but the GOP is so fucking incompetent that their bill is even worse."
We've already seen Trump try to spin that argument as the Dems not being willing to help, and I think the ACA failing because the Democrats didn't want to help "feels" truer and therefore is more convincing to people who vote based on what "feels" true.
Well, we'll see. Are they trying to shove it through this week?
edited 26th Jun '17 12:06:48 AM by RedSavant
It's been fun.
Jupiterian Local
well a good many healthcare professionals are Republicans. Not all, of course,but certainly enough to muddy the waters
Couldn't find much data on administrative leanings, unfortunately.
However, most young doctors lean Democrat, so depending on when the debate happens that may tilt things in our favor.
New Survey coming this weekend!