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Nettacki Since: Jan, 2010
#9026: Jun 12th 2014 at 4:54:44 PM

Game director of Unity has posted further elaborations on the lack of female characters in the game. Now he's saying that it's not really about production, but that they're focusing more on telling the story of Arno.

"I understand the issue, I understand the cause, and it is a noble one, but I don't think it's relevant in the case of Unity," Amancio told Eurogamer in an interview at E3.

"In Unity you play this character called Arno, and when you're playing co-op you're also playing Arno - everybody is. It's like Aiden Pierce in Watch Dogs."

In an earlier interview with Polygon, Amancio said potential playable female characters had been cut from the game due to the amount of work it would involve to include them.

Speaking with Eurogamer now, Amancio switched stance, insisting the decision had nothing to do with production.

"I think this started from confusion in relation to the co-op, where they thought it was an avatar which it isn't," he insisted.

"Arno has different skills - you select skill points in the game, there are gear elements that have an impact and all these weapons that make the character you make your own. But you're always playing Arno."

An editorial about the thing from the same site.

Speaking of this, I wanted to ask: other than the journalists, who actually initially complained about this first? Was there a giant public outcry on Tumblr or something?

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
The Fastest Man Alive
#9027: Jun 12th 2014 at 4:58:13 PM

I find it more disappointing that these guys aren't actual characters in your game. They're just what other peoples' Arnos look like to you.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#9028: Jun 12th 2014 at 5:06:23 PM

[up][up]I'd love to say it was Tumblr. Mostly because that's where a lot of the complaining comes from, it seems.

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
The Fastest Man Alive
#9029: Jun 12th 2014 at 5:07:34 PM

On the other hand, apparently you can use a equip a boarding axe as part of your everyday-running-around-Paris-during-the-revolution weaponry, so that's pretty cool. :P

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#9030: Jun 12th 2014 at 5:11:50 PM

I have come to the conclusion that anything anyone says on Tumblr can safely be ignored unless it has additional sources. That said, it is interesting that you're playing Arno all the time. That's a weird kind of fourth wall bending metaphysics.

edited 12th Jun '14 5:12:04 PM by Fighteer

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BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
The Fastest Man Alive
#9031: Jun 12th 2014 at 5:13:31 PM

It does make sense from a certain perspective, in that by making everyone Arno, the game doesn't have to decide who is playing as who. They just display a different skin to you.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#9032: Jun 12th 2014 at 5:13:43 PM

Kinda feels like the whole co-op thing is utterly pointless. At least for me.

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
The Fastest Man Alive
#9033: Jun 12th 2014 at 5:14:16 PM

Oh, I won't be using it much.

I have a couple friends who play AC, but the odds of us playing together are slim to none.

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (USA) (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#9034: Jun 12th 2014 at 5:15:59 PM

So how are they going to explain the co-op Assassins in-game?

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BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#9035: Jun 12th 2014 at 5:17:11 PM

The same way Brotherhood did, probably. "There are other Assassins. They are not that important."

lancesolous13 from California Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
#9036: Jun 12th 2014 at 5:53:51 PM

Wait, if they're ALL just Arno, why the heck put them on the cover at all?

And, that still doesn't explain it then. If everyone sees themselves as Arno, then why NOT have one of the alternative looks be female? Since they don't have characters and voices, then it looks like it would be so much easier... Still not the female assassin everyone wants though.

And, yeah, I knew Johnathan Cooper is no longer a Ubi employee. He's currently working for Uncharted 4, but he was the animation director of ACIII, some of the Mass Effect games, and possibly worked on The Last of Us. He's apparently big in the business and would know what he's talking about.

edited 12th Jun '14 6:00:06 PM by lancesolous13

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BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#9037: Jun 12th 2014 at 5:56:09 PM

I hope he's not currently working on Uncharted 3.

lancesolous13 from California Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
#9038: Jun 12th 2014 at 6:00:26 PM

XD Oops. Sorry. I skipped keys by accident.

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#9039: Jun 12th 2014 at 8:18:19 PM

If everyone sees themselves as Arno, then why NOT have one of the alternative looks be female?

I still feel the better question would first be "Why even bother with the co-op?"

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#9040: Jun 12th 2014 at 8:25:39 PM

If everyone sees themselves as Arno, then making one of the filler characters female would have required at least a model change and extra voice actor. That may not be a lot of work in the grand scheme of things, but it's a lot of work for a rather pointless character. At least this way it's just a skin change.

I hope they're not biting off more than they can chew with the co-op. It's not really necessary, and completely overhauling the game like they are would have been enough of a difference.

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#9041: Jun 16th 2014 at 6:06:42 PM

Today on Initiates:

At 6:18pm, after hacking the Initiates site, Shaun left a message for the group.

My name is Shaun Hastings. I know you're out there, watching us. Bravo, but that's really all you do, isn't it? Watch. Don't you think it's time to do more?

You've proven your potential. Why not dedicate it to a true cause? With you on our side, we can hope to rebuild the Brotherhood. Otherwise, the Assassins will die, along with our ideals. The Templars will win, and the world will lose.

Big challenges are ahead of us. United, we stand a better chance of tipping the scales. Then, the Initiates network will return stronger, in one form or another, to mark the beginning of your training.

Stay alert, Initiates.

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#9042: Jun 21st 2014 at 1:10:50 PM

After thinking about it, I've decided that I don't want a new Assassin's Creed game, I want more pirate shit.

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lancesolous13 from California Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
#9043: Jun 21st 2014 at 4:16:28 PM

[up]I believe they suggested they're making a Pirate themed IP in the future, but idk.

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BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
The Fastest Man Alive
#9044: Jun 21st 2014 at 4:54:25 PM

I pre-ordered Unity yesterday!

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Brightness
#9045: Jun 21st 2014 at 5:43:47 PM

After spending the last year playing through the series, I think I'm going to skip on Unity, or at least hold off for a good while after it releases.

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BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#9046: Jun 21st 2014 at 5:49:00 PM

I can't wait for it. Replaying the Ezio games has been nice (I'll do Revelations as soon as I'm finished with Watch_Dogs), but they definitely feel old in comparison to 3 and 4. Add that to my general dissatisfaction with 4 as an Assassin's Creed game, and I'm very much looking forward to Unity.

illegalcheese X-14: Killer Cheese Since: Apr, 2010
X-14: Killer Cheese
#9047: Jun 22nd 2014 at 3:11:22 AM

I'm going to guess that R-L is a member, or maybe even a founder, of The Initiates, using the l33t hacking skills she picked up in AC 4.

Couchpotato20 Will kill you from Hell Since: Apr, 2011
Will kill you
#9048: Jun 22nd 2014 at 6:25:58 AM

(Hi-fives Bad Wolf 21)

Neats bro

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Lost in Space
#9049: Jun 25th 2014 at 6:53:33 AM

[up][up] They might join the Initiates, but there's nothing to support or deny that idea in anything we've seen thus far. R-L (how'd that moniker come up anyway?) is a cipher, a blank. They could be anybody; their very lack of characterization in AC IV means that there's nothing supporting a future appearance.

If the modern day segments of Unity take a radical turn away from what we saw in Black Flag as has been suggested, then either our AFGNCAAP hacker will get a face and turn into a real protagonist or they'll just be part of the background as "that agent we recruited inside Abstergo Entertainment".

edited 25th Jun '14 6:54:20 AM by Fighteer

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illegalcheese X-14: Killer Cheese Since: Apr, 2010
X-14: Killer Cheese
#9050: Jun 25th 2014 at 3:03:21 PM

I think R-L are the initials the PC uses in the game? From the emails, IIRC. Also, the plot point of beings like Juno and Aita being reincarnated, and the attempt to implant/awaken Juno in another body, is one that R-L was linked to pretty strongly. They could ignore that R-L was an excellent candidate for the Big Bad to body-snatch, but I think it's a good reason to bring her back in future installments.


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